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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg with gene and Chris of

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the para cast we have a fascinating

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session where we're going to bring back

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Andrew Calvin who is someone who has

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brought us back or reminded us of one of

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the more interesting characters in the

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paranormal field someone who has really

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gained a controversial reputation and

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UFO research John keel somebody that I

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knew early on but we'll get to that in a

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moment now the other thing we'll talk

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about here is last week we featured

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belly jamish on the power cast and if I

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sound like I'm chuckling understand that

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this guy is one of the more

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controversial guests and when first made

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him controversial by the way is the fact

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that he has a rather unusual patter or

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rhythm to his voice he sounds like maybe

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we met him on the Lower East Side of New

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York City that's not true actually he's

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from Canada I know some of you had

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difficulty understanding him and the key

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is to get into his rhythm okay to get

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into the rhythm of how he speaks you can

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understand it it's just like for example

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I'm trying to understand Arnold

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Schwarzenegger and the only way you do

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it is to get into the rhythm of his

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speech and then you ask the question

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that you have somebody who is well

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educated and has been in America for

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many years has a couple of college

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degrees but has not learned to ditch

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that accent which I don't understand but

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enough of Arnold and back to Barry Camus

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he made a few controversial remarks and

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some people are saying to me that he's

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not too favorable towards Jewish people

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such as me and that disturbs me greatly

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now on the para cast we're happy to have

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different points of view we're certainly

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happy to subject people

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critical questioning where that is

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appropriate and we did ask him questions

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but of course his patter is so

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convoluted it's hard to follow the

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answers but there you go

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also the audio quality wasn't great I

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guess his phone is not the best and also

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he was nursing a flu so there you go

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bury cherish will he be back on the para

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cast I don't know I'm kind of doubt it

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by the way just the other day Chris and

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I spent a full day putting the finishing

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touches on stalking the herd this is a

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huge book about cattle mutilations a lot

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of people out there are not going to

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like it because he says things that need

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to be said but things that may also be

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regarded as controversial as a result

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and the book should be out I expect it's

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gonna be sometime in February right now

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but I've looked at the page layout the

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book looks and reads great it's got an

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extensive bibliography a lot of

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footnotes a lot of illustrations you're

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gonna dig it I'm not getting any money

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for this book by the way you know I'm

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just helping Chris out there you go

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Andrew Colvin tell our listeners how you

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got interested in paranormal subjects

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well that was that was just personal

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experience growing up in West Virginia

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in the late 60s and having personal

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experiences with most of the phenomenon

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that John keel wrote about singing

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Mothman having other strange things

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happen you saw Mothman I did well I

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don't you know it might yeah I saw

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something flying silhouette and then I

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saw five years later I saw another

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silhouette come out of a tree which

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matches certain other descriptions that

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people don't really associate with

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Mothman but it would be more like an

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elemental or had a hind Walker type of

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joint structure like its legs bent

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backwards you know sort of a devilish

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didn't get I didn't stick around long

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enough to really get a good look at it

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but it happened in the same place where

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other people had seen Mothman and flying

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saucers and and an alien or two

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it's a special spot that I've written

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about in most of my books all the action

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place where a school that burned down so

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sort of the crossroads of old Indian

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we think may have been burned down by

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Charles Manson because he lived in the

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area at the time that's interesting

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there is because he lived in the area or

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is it sound like a good urban legend or

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what no he lived on my street but not

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when I was there it was he was living

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there but in the during the war years of

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world war ii time period and most

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friends with Sarah Jane Moore the lady

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that shot at President Ford they both

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lived there we suspect he may have

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burned that burned that school down

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because he was sort of known for doing

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that he had burned he burned another

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school down in Indiana in this

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what the relationship between those two

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is that's something I'd like to ask both

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of them you know are they they might

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even be related talk to a character like

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that no I've put it off for another 40

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years or so yeah okay so you have the

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power and all the stuff going on now

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this happened at the time the John keel

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UFO field releasing some of his books so

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where is the connection is it Mothman

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that led you to John keel

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Charleston which is the big city there

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that the biggest the state capitol where

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there in the early 90s and his Mothman

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Prophecies book had been reissued then I

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and you got a you got to remember that

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none of us knew had any context for what

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this stuff was we didn't even know it

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was called Mothman we I didn't know it

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was called Mothman until 1993 because no

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one in West Virginia heard of the book

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when it came out in 75 and it wasn't

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sold there and so I was just blown away

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when I read it I realized you know this

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is explained at all and so I started

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reading all of his books and that

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eventually met him ten years later at

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the mouth Memphis well when they

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unveiled the statue there in Point

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Pleasant Jesse question parenthetically

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about Mothman the Silver Bridge yeah in

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fact I republished that that years ago

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and put an introduction in there about

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my you know it's the one page thing

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about my story now how much it meant to

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me that he and he'll had it come to my

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hometown and then tried to find out you

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know what was going on they didn't stick

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around too long and in Mound

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they but they it is mentioned in the

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Silver Bridge that they went there now

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in the Silver Bridge it's more

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allegorical I think isn't it it's

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doesn't actually describe exact events

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so much as stuff that almost has a

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fictional overtone to it yes yes

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although the chapter about John keel

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there's a couple of them keel told me if

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he actually wrote them himself

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bargain for the martyr yeah that's

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fascinating they're very well done the

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other chapters some of them I like a lot

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because they they asked the question

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whether or not Indrid cold may have had

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actually flown around in a flying saucer

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which I thought was crazy at the time

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but as as times gone on I start to

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wonder if maybe he didn't there really

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weren't some sort of drone craft that

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were being flown around you all have

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tell us more about this because people

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who haven't read these books are gonna

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wonder we're not wondering that we have

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Andrew Calvin joining us with Jean and

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and material from John keel and gray

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Barker with regard to lots of paranormal

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mysteries including the Silver Bridge

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and you're bringing up something towards

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the end of our segment about someone who

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had been riding around in a UFO or

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something in some connection with drones

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would you clarify

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well my the areas that they were

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building drones possibly ex-nazi or

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former Nazi saucers in the area and that

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this was kept secret and only today are

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we starting to see the fruits of that

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research so you think that the drones we

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have today are based on technologies

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from World War two

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well the drones that we're seeing today

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are the ones that were being shown or

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look more like you know regular

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airplanes but I think they have a whole

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bunch of them that are probably

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saucer-like that we're not being shown

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that really is a remote-controlled

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aircraft if we're going to look at the

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core definition so even these little toy

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airplanes that you use with the remote

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control and fly with the remote control

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those are drones technically right yes I

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don't know what you call a manned drone

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exactly but I believe they probably did

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have some manned drones back in those

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days and there's probably some

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difficulties with those and that may be

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why we don't see a lot of them you know

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that doesn't explain all the UFO

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sightings there's a lot of them and I

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think are indeed paranormal or

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interdimensional or something a loose

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anatoray quasi hallucinatory maybe but I

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think embedded within those you probably

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do have some that were actual research

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projects and it was a good way to hide

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them

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you know inside of a phenomenon that is

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unexplainable so the key being here is

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that the authorities took advantage of

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the UFO mystery but this also creates a

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situation where you wonder how many UFO

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events are really

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due to test aircrafts of some kind what

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do you think I think a lot of them are

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you know people are just most UFO

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sightings are just lights in the skies

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that people can't really identify if

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they're too far away or it's nighttime

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and they just see a bright light and I

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think some of those are indeed a crow

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aircraft of some kind and I I've seen

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the strange UFO myself that I took good

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photos of that was actually appeared to

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be changing shape now I don't know if

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that's a sort of new invention or or

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just the ancient phenomenon that Keele

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was always writing about but they're out

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there you took photos when and how good

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are they I think I mentioned this when I

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was on last I think that was right after

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I had seen it and I took some photos and

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put them on my site at blog at fourteens

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West calm at one point it took the shape

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of the flying humanoid so I was

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speculating at the time that you know

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maybe this was Mothman and maybe he can

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you know turn into a UFO and there's

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actually a couple of reports from that

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from the Keele days where he interviewed

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people that saw Mothman fly up into a

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UFO

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now some people criticize the

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scholarship of John keel they didn't

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always spend the proper amount of time

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going through all the stories to be sure

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they were factually correct what's your

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impression having looked over all his

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material it seems to me he was more

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thorough than most actually the opposite

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and I you know he just sort of he had

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the propensity to be a great writer

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dramatic you know sort of writer and I

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think that maybe gives people the idea

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that that there's some flourishes in

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there that aren't true but you know on

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the whole I think he was out there and

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doing fieldwork more than most people

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and perhaps had a better handle on it

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then you know some of the people that do

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book research or today you know just do

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some clicks on Google or whatever and

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and call that a research he was actually

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out there interviewing people and

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getting their first-hand accounts one of

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the things that was always interesting

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about John keel as far as I'm concerned

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is out-of-the-box thinking he didn't

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accept the conventional explanations for

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UFOs he was always stretching the

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boundaries whether you agree with him or

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not he got you thinking about things

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that maybe you didn't consider

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previously yeah I did a lot of he did a

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lot of research into ancient mythology -

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which was really time-consuming

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I mean he he went through reams of old

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books about magic and fairy lore and

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witchcraft and was able to see that some

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of these UFO experiences and the

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abduction experiences were very similar

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to the old you know abductions where

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people would be taken away by you know

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some strange man in black or have you

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know in some cases sexual experiences

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with incubi and succubi that that seemed

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to be able to sort of adapt themselves

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to whatever the cultural norms are at

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the time and so people there get very

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confused because it seems like it could

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be a you know a spaceman you know in

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today's lingo you know you've got

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spacemen coming into people's bedrooms

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whereas in the old days that would have

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been you know uh the devil or a goat a

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goat man or something and it's very

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troubling for people and in so Keele

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came up with this theory that there's an

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interface between our minds and this

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force that causes it to shape-shift as

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time goes along and adapt itself to

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wherever we are at and attempts

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seemingly attempts to lead us in certain

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directions which Keele thought we should

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be wary of because they're tricksters

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reminds me of course is the book that

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our own Chris O'Brien did stalking the

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tricks

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O'Brien has done things like that where

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he's trying to find out how the

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tricksters hats relationship with us but

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you see one of the biggest things about

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the UFO field is the fact that they look

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at it in terms of our modern technology

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so they seem to be technological they

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behave as if they are intelligently

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controlled so we view them in that

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context and we don't always view what

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happened earlier in the same way we

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think of people who lived in the 15th

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century or in in 100 BC and maybe

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they're very primitive so whatever they

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tell you you don't take seriously yeah

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it's it's it's unexplainable really I

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think that it is that there certainly

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isn't hallucinatory loosin Ettore

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component here now that doesn't mean

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it's not important or not to be studied

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and and it's even more mysterious really

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that people can can take trips to other

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planets on spaceships and things when it

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clearly couldn't have happened if the

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way they described it I mean there's too

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many cases of that where there has to be

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it has to be happening partially in

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their heads but that doesn't mean make

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it that doesn't mean it's not real well

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ok let's look into that in a moment we

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have Andrew Colvin joining us a lot more

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547
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:05,070
high blood pressure clogged arteries or

548
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:07,410
unbalanced cholesterol it did for Karen

549
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:09,450
I've been using heart and body extract

550
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:13,080
for approximately two weeks I've had an

551
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,390
ear wax buildup problems for many years

552
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:17,940
with over-the-counter stuff not working

553
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,700
at all I have very poor hearing due to

554
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:22,980
this ear wax buildup well after two

555
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:24,990
weeks of taking heart and body extract

556
00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:27,570
my ear wax buildup almost completely

557
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:30,150
cleared up could this be the effect of

558
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,010
better body circulation heart and body

559
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:34,559
extract is an effective 100% organic

560
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,330
nutritional supplement specially

561
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:38,100
formulated to allow your body to heal

562
00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:40,770
itself my hearing is almost completely

563
00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:44,549
back to normal order by calling eight

564
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:46,830
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565
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,460
five or online at HB extract calm that's

566
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:52,980
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567
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:56,130
zero five or HB extract

568
00:27:04,040 --> 00:26:58,410
heart and body extract for a long and

569
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:04,050
healthy life this is Leslie Kane and I'm

570
00:27:07,910 --> 00:27:05,730
with the Coalition for freedom of

571
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:07,920
information and you are listening to the

572
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,090
podcast with gene and Chris and apparent

573
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:14,240
cast we continue with Andrew Colvin and

574
00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:16,530
the point Andrews making here is that

575
00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:18,660
people who report maybe direct

576
00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:21,620
encounters with UFO entities or beings

577
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:24,390
they're not reporting what's really

578
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:26,250
going on it's being interpreted in the

579
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:29,310
way they understand modern technology

580
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:32,010
but Andrew aren't we also assuming here

581
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:34,650
at least some UFO researchers at people

582
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,530
in the 15th century and 10 BC they

583
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:39,600
didn't know much of anything they're too

584
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:42,470
primitive to realize what was going on

585
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:45,210
well you know I don't know I wasn't

586
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,300
there but I know that there I hope not

587
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:49,860
their encounter encountering some kind

588
00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:54,120
of force that is real that you know

589
00:27:59,840 --> 00:27:57,660
builds these stories for them and takes

590
00:28:01,490 --> 00:27:59,850
them on these journeys and they believe

591
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:01,500
it wholeheartedly so there's something

592
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,110
to be studied there and that's what

593
00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:06,240
he'll was I think trying to find out

594
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:09,270
what's the underlying mechanism you

595
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,910
finally got to meet John Kaleb 10 years

596
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:13,980
after the first started reading about

597
00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:17,310
his work under what circumstances did

598
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:18,990
you meet him can you tell us more about

599
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:20,210
it

600
00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:23,030
well we met at the festival Mothman

601
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:25,940
festival in 2003 that's the second one I

602
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:28,970
think and they unveiled the statue there

603
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,130
and he'll was very available there

604
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:35,360
weren't a lot of people there at that

605
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:38,450
time because it was new the festival was

606
00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:40,760
new so we got a lot of I had a lot of

607
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:42,350
opportunities to just drive around with

608
00:28:48,790 --> 00:28:45,260
them and check out the TNT areas and

609
00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:48,800
things and have lunches and it was a

610
00:28:54,970 --> 00:28:50,630
great time everyone really enjoyed it

611
00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:54,980
and it sort of solidified amongst the

612
00:29:02,590 --> 00:28:57,460
small group of researchers we had there

613
00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:02,600
solidified us as a group and and and one

614
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:03,500
of the things I write about an

615
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:07,610
introduction to the to keel books is is

616
00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:10,670
how much paranormal stuff started

617
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:13,960
happening to us after we had met keel

618
00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:19,010
including hearing voices in the hotel

619
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,520
where we were staying while he was there

620
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:25,520
do tell more this is fascinating so you

621
00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:27,290
meet this person I met John keel a

622
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:29,480
number of times I talked him on the

623
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:31,550
phone I was at his home in New York City

624
00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:34,130
I never had anything weird happened to

625
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:36,980
me so maybe I'm lucky or unlucky tell us

626
00:29:39,970 --> 00:29:38,570
more about the things that happened he

627
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:39,980
wasn't just playing jokes on you or

628
00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:43,310
pranks was he oh no no but about a year

629
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:46,070
before that we had gone back to this

630
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,380
area that I was talking about where we'd

631
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:51,440
all seen Mothman and we had three of us

632
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:54,710
who had seen him previously were there

633
00:30:01,870 --> 00:29:58,450
can we saw three shimmering beings

634
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:01,880
standing in front of us that I now think

635
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:05,660
were mirror reflections of us somehow

636
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:08,510
and there was a fourth being that was

637
00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:13,250
observing this process and I think that

638
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:15,920
may have been Mothman and then a year

639
00:30:21,790 --> 00:30:18,770
later were at the hello hotel with Kiel

640
00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:21,800
staying there and one of the people that

641
00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:24,380
was with me the year before was there

642
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:27,080
and she saw the three beings again in

643
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:31,070
the hotel and as she was seeing them I

644
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:34,300
was in my room and I was hearing the

645
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:37,720
three people wife who claimed he was

646
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:40,870
John keel and I had a real hard time

647
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,460
with this because I don't I've never

648
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:45,760
heard voices like that and I before or

649
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:48,190
after this is interesting here - because

650
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:51,100
keel mentioned in some of his books

651
00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:54,580
about doppelgangers or people pretending

652
00:30:59,370 --> 00:30:56,830
to be him pretending to be great barker

653
00:31:03,360 --> 00:30:59,380
pretending to be Jim Mosely running

654
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:03,370
around loose yes and in fact they were

655
00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:06,910
driving a Volkswagen which had the same

656
00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:08,860
license plate as injured called the guy

657
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,390
who mentioned earlier who's may have

658
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:12,480
been driving around in a flying saucer

659
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:17,440
so this you know these guys team cold I

660
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:19,450
call them appeared to be traveling

661
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:22,560
between West Virginia and New York

662
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:25,510
messin with flying saucer researchers

663
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:28,860
and witnesses and in one case they shot

664
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:31,810
they were caught or seen shooting a

665
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:35,290
laser weapon at forget the guy's name he

666
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:38,520
was a researcher up there in New Jersey

667
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:41,050
knocked him out with this beam from a

668
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:43,990
laser gun so they may have also had

669
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:46,690
laser guns in addition to you know

670
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:49,390
drones that they could fly around very

671
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:51,820
spooky stuff you don't know if they're

672
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:55,390
real or you know real men in black from

673
00:32:00,990 --> 00:31:57,730
the government or some other group or if

674
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:01,000
they were completely paranormal wacky

675
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:03,010
definitely whacked like you to me that's

676
00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:04,260
for sure Wow

677
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:07,150
yeah the license plate was was almost

678
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,090
the same if not the same in both places

679
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:12,880
for this strange Volkswagen this local

680
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:16,810
ii was seen on at this spot in west

681
00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:21,150
virginia where we saw a Mothman and

682
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:24,340
Hendrick called himself appeared to have

683
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:27,850
interacted with two of my friends who

684
00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:30,460
are both Mothman witnesses one of whom

685
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:32,790
was being treated by a psychiatrist

686
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:38,110
named dr. Alan Roberts who was a friend

687
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:40,270
of Indra cold who actually believed the

688
00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:43,930
cold had taken him to another planet and

689
00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:46,150
this this doctor has disappeared and I

690
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:47,920
haven't really been able to find out you

691
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:48,050
know

692
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:50,330
what happened to but he was a real

693
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:52,970
person they were interacting with woody

694
00:32:57,690 --> 00:32:55,610
derenberger the psychiatrist was

695
00:33:00,640 --> 00:32:57,700
treating woody derenberger for his

696
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:00,650
abduction experiences as he was treating

697
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:04,160
my friend Tommy Burnham who was the kid

698
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:09,820
that predicted 9/11 back in 67 in 67 how

699
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:14,570
I don't know how but he's he didn't say

700
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:16,070
Mothman cuz we didn't call it that he

701
00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:18,230
said the Birdman had been visiting him

702
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:20,600
and that a flying saucer landed in his

703
00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:23,450
yard and the space intelligences he

704
00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:26,150
called them we're talking to him this is

705
00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:27,680
a seven-year-old kid saying the space

706
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:29,920
intelligences are talking to me you know

707
00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:32,570
and he said they've told me about a an

708
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,020
attack in New York in 2001 that will

709
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:38,080
start World War 3

710
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:41,330
and I was very incredulous and he said

711
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:43,790
no I can show you but we have to do a

712
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:45,500
blood brother pact where we cut our

713
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:47,450
fingers and shared blood then we held

714
00:33:51,910 --> 00:33:49,070
hands and he took me to a certain spot

715
00:33:55,090 --> 00:33:51,920
in his yard and I did indeed see

716
00:33:58,390 --> 00:33:55,100
something very similar to 9/11 for a

717
00:34:01,000 --> 00:33:58,400
brief second or two and it scared me so

718
00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:01,010
much that I that was sort of the end of

719
00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:03,860
our friendship and he moved away not too

720
00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:06,380
long after that when he started

721
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,500
believing that he was a vampire

722
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,230
well that sounds wackier than just

723
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:13,760
anything else why did he believe he was

724
00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:18,710
a vampire asking that yeah I mean it

725
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,300
could be that he was being you know he

726
00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:21,919
was being treated by this doctor

727
00:34:25,390 --> 00:34:23,630
it was friends with the men in black and

728
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:25,400
in her cold so I don't know what that

729
00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:27,410
they were programming him with if any

730
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:31,880
you know to believe but he felt like he

731
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,169
might become a warlock and and a vampire

732
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:38,000
and he actually bit somebody in the neck

733
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:40,130
at school which is why they pretty much

734
00:34:45,070 --> 00:34:43,010
had to move after that because you know

735
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:45,080
then the neighborhood go over too well

736
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,410
with done with other moms you can't have

737
00:34:52,870 --> 00:34:50,720
people running around loose biting

738
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:52,880
people on the neck one of the things he

739
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:54,500
predicted was that he would work for

740
00:34:58,780 --> 00:34:57,110
NASA someday because he saw the timeline

741
00:35:01,900 --> 00:34:58,790
and his life coming from the space

742
00:35:04,329 --> 00:35:01,910
intelligences and his mom

743
00:35:06,670 --> 00:35:04,339
was a beautiful woman and she's still

744
00:35:09,849 --> 00:35:06,680
alive actually she was a West Virginia

745
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,859
miss West Virginia runner-up I think and

746
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:11,990
she actually ended up working for NASA

747
00:35:18,579 --> 00:35:15,440
and so did he and she was like really

748
00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:18,589
high up I don't know how that happened I

749
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,359
don't know how a housewife ends up

750
00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:23,359
becoming the the assistant to the head

751
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:29,380
of NASA's military wing but she did and

752
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:33,440
when we tried to contact Tommy in 2003

753
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:37,730
she put the kibosh on that so we haven't

754
00:35:41,859 --> 00:35:39,140
been able to find out too much more

755
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:41,869
about Tommy although I did receive a

756
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:44,930
package from him Oh a couple of years

757
00:35:53,260 --> 00:35:49,520
after that yeah it was a fossil that

758
00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:53,270
that I had loaned him we used to dig

759
00:35:59,710 --> 00:35:56,780
around for fossils and things and it was

760
00:36:01,660 --> 00:35:59,720
a very nice fern fossil and it came in

761
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:01,670
the mail within and all the note said

762
00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:05,839
was sorry for the delay that was it and

763
00:36:11,289 --> 00:36:08,230
what the address was was list Coco Beach

764
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:11,299
it came from it did come from NASA

765
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:14,150
that's a headquarters area there it's

766
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:16,520
very mysterious well it looks like you

767
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:18,770
got yourself up front and personally

768
00:36:24,609 --> 00:36:21,770
involved and all the wacky stuff that

769
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:24,619
was following John keel around maybe as

770
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:26,569
a consequence of knowing him but like I

771
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:30,079
said I knew him too and my association

772
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:31,910
with him I got some wacky letters and

773
00:36:36,910 --> 00:36:34,970
such from him it was pretty normal we

774
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:36,920
have Andrew Colvin joining gene and

775
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,400
[Music]

776
00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:52,180
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777
00:37:01,839 --> 00:36:54,740
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778
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779
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780
00:37:09,759 --> 00:37:07,130
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781
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782
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795
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796
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797
00:38:00,160 --> 00:37:58,299
[Music]

798
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:00,170
yesterday I got a notice from the IRS

799
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:04,130
they say I owe them over $16,000 I don't

800
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:05,630
have that kind of money but the notice

801
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:07,250
said if I don't pay it in 30 days

802
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:08,990
they're gonna go into my bank account

803
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:10,910
and take my money put a lien on my house

804
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:13,609
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805
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806
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get help the IRS can do all that and

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811
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814
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[Music]

870
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:09,439
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

871
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:12,290
listening to the Peres cast

872
00:41:24,010 --> 00:41:21,070
with gene and Chris on the para cast

873
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,020
Andrew Colvin joining us he's an artist

874
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:27,440
who has followed very extensively the

875
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,900
life and times of John keel you know

876
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:32,240
before we get into more case histories

877
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:34,580
one of the saddest things about John

878
00:41:40,180 --> 00:41:37,190
keel is that he died pretty much in

879
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:40,190
poverty his biggest success was the

880
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:41,720
movie the Mothman Prophecies

881
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:44,090
they bought the rights to it for film

882
00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:47,960
the film starred Richard Gere as someone

883
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:51,620
named John Klein who was investigating

884
00:41:59,650 --> 00:41:55,040
these Mothman happenings in West

885
00:42:03,040 --> 00:41:59,660
Virginia okay so did you know John keel

886
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,050
his final years you knew him in 2003 but

887
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:04,880
did you see the deterioration where he

888
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:07,670
became less healthy and kind of moved

889
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:09,950
with himself or cut himself off from a

890
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:12,170
lot of the people he knew well I was a

891
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:15,110
recipient of that cut off we emailed

892
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:17,380
quite a bit but for two or three years

893
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:21,830
up until maybe 2006 or something and

894
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:24,170
then yeah he when he did the cut off he

895
00:42:28,570 --> 00:42:25,430
stopped communicating with everybody

896
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:28,580
except maybe Doug Skinner a couple of

897
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:34,730
other people so yeah I didn't I didn't I

898
00:42:39,310 --> 00:42:37,970
didn't witness any of that well I know

899
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:39,320
that when we tried to get him on the

900
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:42,440
power cast in 2006 this was our first

901
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:46,160
year on the air we made inquiry we got

902
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:48,500
his phone number from a friend of ours

903
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:51,140
Tim Beckley and my former co-host called

904
00:42:55,570 --> 00:42:53,570
him up and he hung up the phone that was

905
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:55,580
very upset and called Tim say why did

906
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,990
you get my phone number out to these

907
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:58,380
people

908
00:43:02,509 --> 00:43:00,599
and that was kind of it but it's kind of

909
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:02,519
sad because he's not the only UFO

910
00:43:07,009 --> 00:43:04,440
researcher who seemed to come into some

911
00:43:09,799 --> 00:43:07,019
prominence who died pretty much in

912
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:09,809
poverty also Richard Hall who of course

913
00:43:15,469 --> 00:43:12,329
was involved in the early days of NICAP

914
00:43:18,439 --> 00:43:15,479
in the 60s and the 70s he was fairly

915
00:43:21,309 --> 00:43:18,449
well known UFO research wrote some very

916
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:21,319
good historical books on the subject and

917
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,630
you know he just didn't have a very good

918
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:26,819
life at all it's not too it's not too

919
00:43:31,459 --> 00:43:29,670
hard to die in poverty these days well

920
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:31,469
they make it as easy as possible

921
00:43:37,549 --> 00:43:34,529
yeah they've done really hard work in

922
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:37,559
the US Congress to make it as easy as

923
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:39,930
possible for anyone who wants to die of

924
00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,900
poverty now why do you think that he'll

925
00:43:49,579 --> 00:43:44,940
cut himself off from his friends because

926
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,589
he was he'll I don't know I could only

927
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:52,140
speculate you know I grew up he grew up

928
00:43:56,749 --> 00:43:54,119
on a farm and I didn't grow up exactly

929
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:56,759
on a farm but pretty much there were

930
00:44:00,529 --> 00:43:58,410
lots of farms around and everyone sort

931
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:00,539
of had that mentality and I think you

932
00:44:05,949 --> 00:44:03,569
know maybe it's just I don't know it's

933
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,959
just sort of a farm thing maybe you just

934
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:08,640
get tired of it was also pretty of

935
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:10,410
dealing with people and why'd you say

936
00:44:14,989 --> 00:44:12,420
Chris he was also very bitter at the end

937
00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:14,999
too eating I don't think he had a sense

938
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:17,670
that people appreciated him to the

939
00:44:23,749 --> 00:44:19,650
extent that they did and I he I think he

940
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:23,759
always felt he felt never really he did

941
00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:26,579
he got the recognition that he deserved

942
00:44:31,699 --> 00:44:29,009
for being such a creative thinker and

943
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:31,709
and what recognition he did get I don't

944
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:34,890
think he felt that it was it was the

945
00:44:39,709 --> 00:44:36,690
accolades didn't come along with that

946
00:44:43,009 --> 00:44:39,719
and and and that's enough to make anyone

947
00:44:46,819 --> 00:44:43,019
better I would think especially in the

948
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:46,829
case of kiddo who's very mercurial I had

949
00:44:54,709 --> 00:44:50,729
a very full a full life and I think some

950
00:44:57,259 --> 00:44:54,719
of the accusations of confabulation of

951
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,269
fictionalizing certain parts of his

952
00:45:02,809 --> 00:44:59,880
research I think that struck pretty

953
00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:02,819
close to the bone as well I only had one

954
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:06,119
conversation with keel I tried to invite

955
00:45:10,579 --> 00:45:08,249
him to a conference that I was putting

956
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:10,589
on with my brother and David Perkins

957
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:12,460
down in Palenque

958
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:13,990
we were calling it the emergence

959
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:17,260
conference and I got his number this is

960
00:45:24,569 --> 00:45:22,480
in 2000 and and he agreed to come out of

961
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:24,579
retirement and uh you know take the chip

962
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:26,410
down to Palenque and present but he said

963
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:28,750
he had a caveat he says you know if I if

964
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,690
I go down there you're gonna get in

965
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:34,240
trouble he said it completely deadpan

966
00:45:37,710 --> 00:45:36,490
and I if he was staying in the room I'm

967
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:37,720
sure it would have been an

968
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,690
expressionless you know a comment I said

969
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:42,880
well Jim what do you mean he goes well

970
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,849
if I go down there I will definitely get

971
00:45:52,349 --> 00:45:47,200
you in trouble and you're gonna end up

972
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:52,359
in a Mexican jail what do you mean

973
00:45:56,099 --> 00:45:54,040
because I'm serious and I said I said

974
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,109
well John I'll take that chance I'd much

975
00:46:00,300 --> 00:45:57,760
rather have you there and take my chance

976
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,310
then then not have you there and

977
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:02,560
unfortunately the conference was set up

978
00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:06,040
for I think September it was less than a

979
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:08,440
week after 9/11 and so he ended up

980
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:11,320
having to cancel it but and give a bunch

981
00:46:14,940 --> 00:46:13,390
of people their money back but I thought

982
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:14,950
that would have been my only opportunity

983
00:46:19,950 --> 00:46:17,530
I think to to actually get a chance to

984
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:19,960
to spend some time with him I did see

985
00:46:23,069 --> 00:46:21,250
him once and walking on the street in

986
00:46:26,010 --> 00:46:23,079
New York City I was pretty sure it was

987
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:26,020
him but didn't have the guts to go up

988
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:28,390
and and bother him you know like that

989
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:31,210
but but I just always got the sense that

990
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:32,710
he was quite the consummate trickster

991
00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:34,569
and I think some people may have

992
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:37,540
misunderstood that a little bit and it

993
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:40,359
just seems to me that he didn't really

994
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:43,900
ever feel that he was acknowledged to

995
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:46,060
the extent that he probably should have

996
00:46:50,910 --> 00:46:47,550
been acknowledged during his lifetime

997
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:50,920
now in collecting all this material to

998
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:54,040
republish Andy did you have to get

999
00:47:01,230 --> 00:46:57,250
approval from his estate in order to put

1000
00:47:02,910 --> 00:47:01,240
them out yes I don't know if I did

1001
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:02,920
actually have to do that but I did

1002
00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:06,310
anyway because you know these are mostly

1003
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:09,790
old magazine articles and lectures that

1004
00:47:15,059 --> 00:47:12,880
I transcribed things that are sort of in

1005
00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:15,069
the public domain or the copyright had

1006
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:17,800
expired but you know I wanted to to do

1007
00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:20,170
the right thing and contacted his sister

1008
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,780
Cheryl is a wonderful lady and she

1009
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:28,400
tried really hard at the end to get him

1010
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:33,050
to move down to Florida to you know get

1011
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:36,140
out of the cold you know New York his

1012
00:47:42,610 --> 00:47:40,310
apartment was not let's say hygienic it

1013
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:42,620
he sort of was a I don't want to say

1014
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:44,750
pack rat but you know he had a lot of

1015
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:47,570
stuff that he collected Oh higher

1016
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:50,780
visited him in that apartment I remember

1017
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:53,180
now I didn't smell any untoward odors

1018
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,450
but that was back in the 1970s and I

1019
00:48:00,340 --> 00:47:58,160
kind of expected that things might have

1020
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:00,350
deteriorated although I gather Richard

1021
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:01,850
Hall didn't have a very clean

1022
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:05,240
environment right Chris uh not according

1023
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:07,970
to one account that I heard of a film

1024
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:11,720
crew that visited him fairly shortly

1025
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:14,690
before he died and the crew knocked on

1026
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:17,240
the door and the the director told me

1027
00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:18,710
that they could smell the house before

1028
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:21,980
we uh as they approached it and that

1029
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:25,280
when the door opened and this horrendous

1030
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:29,090
smell wafted out you know Hall invited

1031
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:30,590
the man and they they kind of almost

1032
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:32,450
blocked and wouldn't go in but they did

1033
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,210
go inside the doorway and the director

1034
00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:37,280
looked down and in in the hallway in the

1035
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:40,340
corner in this horrific mess he he saw a

1036
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:42,230
cat curled up and he thought the cat was

1037
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:44,450
sleeping I noticed it with his foot it

1038
00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:49,250
was dead the thing had died and become

1039
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:50,660
desiccated right there in the front

1040
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:52,910
hallway the crew just literally was so

1041
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,490
disgusted by the whole scene they they

1042
00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:58,640
did not shoot inside they convinced Hall

1043
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,650
to come outside to do do the interviews

1044
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:02,240
or to a garage or some other place

1045
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:04,250
besides in the house and that that's

1046
00:49:10,270 --> 00:49:07,970
pretty awful I don't think he'll was

1047
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:10,280
anywhere near that I think yeah he was

1048
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:13,490
just so focused on his research like a

1049
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:16,250
lot of brilliant people are and even

1050
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:19,010
what really was brilliant and really

1051
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:22,790
outside the box thinker so I just think

1052
00:49:27,220 --> 00:49:25,430
he was focused on his his research so

1053
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:27,230
much that he probably didn't dust you

1054
00:49:30,310 --> 00:49:29,000
know I don't think it was unhygenic or

1055
00:49:31,930 --> 00:49:30,320
anything I just think you know he had a

1056
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:31,940
lot of stuff and didn't really organize

1057
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:33,530
it because there was too much going on

1058
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,020
and it wouldn't call like a cleaning

1059
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:39,200
service or somebody who maybe 50 or 75

1060
00:49:42,910 --> 00:49:40,970
hours have come over there and do some

1061
00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:42,920
of the essentials yeah and if you looked

1062
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:44,630
at my apartment you know you'd probably

1063
00:49:49,410 --> 00:49:46,250
say the same thing you know

1064
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:49,420
come on Colvin you know do some dusting

1065
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:53,060
for my place when I'm that age I'm sure

1066
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:55,730
you know I doubt that I would be any

1067
00:49:59,890 --> 00:49:57,890
better they'll probably say the same

1068
00:50:02,560 --> 00:49:59,900
thing about me someday you know his

1069
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:02,570
place was a wreck and you know he was

1070
00:50:08,290 --> 00:50:04,970
bitter about the you know this and that

1071
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:08,300
and and I don't know that he Akhil was

1072
00:50:14,349 --> 00:50:10,900
bitter as much as he was just sort of

1073
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:14,359
disgusted with the the UFO scene and all

1074
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:16,670
the different hoaxing and stuff that

1075
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,710
goes on it you know because he was

1076
00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:20,480
serious he was serious about what he was

1077
00:50:24,099 --> 00:50:21,740
doing and there's so many people that

1078
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:24,109
are in it just for the buck you know or

1079
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,140
to muddy the waters because you know

1080
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:29,359
they're on assignment from somebody to

1081
00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:32,089
muddy the waters so all right you just

1082
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:33,740
raised an interesting topic here we're

1083
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:35,960
running near the end of the segment so

1084
00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:37,250
maybe we don't have a lot of time to

1085
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:39,260
talk about it they're being paid to

1086
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:42,170
muddy the waters it's just like the

1087
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:44,030
government sending people out there to

1088
00:50:49,329 --> 00:50:47,720
kind of just dirty the pool I don't know

1089
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:49,339
that it's the government or if it's

1090
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,880
private interests and in some cases I

1091
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,319
don't think people are even actually

1092
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:56,480
being paid I think they just you know

1093
00:51:01,120 --> 00:50:58,490
maybe get favors or they think they're

1094
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:01,130
going to get favors you know more clicks

1095
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:03,410
on the internet whatever today it would

1096
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:05,030
be you know getting the Google clicks

1097
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:08,690
Google ad clicks and things but and some

1098
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:10,190
people some people just aren't smart

1099
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:11,569
enough to figure out that they're being

1100
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:14,510
used well we have to get into more of

1101
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:15,410
that in a moment

1102
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:18,050
Andrew Calvin is joining us of course

1103
00:51:22,809 --> 00:51:20,569
he's written some books that kind of put

1104
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:22,819
together a lot of the work of John keel

1105
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:26,510
which has been basically undiscovered by

1106
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:28,730
a lot of modern people in the UFO field

1107
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:31,970
we have Jean and Chris you're in the

1108
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1124
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1125
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1126
00:52:23,110 --> 00:52:21,080
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1127
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banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1128
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1129
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industry won't recognize the value of

1131
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gold for your retirement goal does

1132
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:33,020
outperform paper investments yet no word

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about IRAs if you would like to have

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

1154
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:04,350
standard of paranormal radio and now

1155
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:13,470
here's Jane Steinberg Andrew Colvin

1156
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:15,550
presenting a lot of the work of John

1157
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:17,890
keel now let me ask you very quickly

1158
00:54:24,270 --> 00:54:21,210
here before we go any more stuff someone

1159
00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:24,280
starting out in the UFO field and they

1160
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:25,840
don't know a lot about the subject but

1161
00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:27,340
maybe they've heard the name John keel

1162
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:29,470
maybe because they saw rerun on Netflix

1163
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:30,670
or something I don't know if it's still

1164
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:33,310
on Netflix of the Mothman Prophecies and

1165
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:35,410
they realize hey this was based on

1166
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:37,630
something real so is that the book

1167
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:39,400
people should read or are there other

1168
00:54:44,310 --> 00:54:41,290
books or works from John keel they

1169
00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:44,320
should start with first well you know

1170
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:46,869
operation Trojan horse isn't good great

1171
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:48,910
book you know really great that's ever

1172
00:54:54,930 --> 00:54:52,030
written on the subject mm-hmm a lot of

1173
00:54:59,760 --> 00:54:54,940
the articles that are in the books I've

1174
00:55:01,980 --> 00:54:59,770
republished here have data from that

1175
00:55:05,310 --> 00:55:01,990
book you know we're written around the

1176
00:55:07,770 --> 00:55:05,320
same time period before and after and

1177
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:07,780
dealing with the same kinds of ideas and

1178
00:55:14,849 --> 00:55:11,650
but we also have a lot of later articles

1179
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:14,859
from the 70s that where he's polished

1180
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:17,290
his you know theories better more and

1181
00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:21,730
and has come to see not only that

1182
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:23,470
there's a you know an interdimensional

1183
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:25,330
thing going on but also that there's a

1184
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,490
manipulation going on from official

1185
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:29,880
sources that we alluded to earlier and

1186
00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:32,980
puts it in perspective and you know it's

1187
00:55:38,460 --> 00:55:34,840
interesting a lot of the stuff that he

1188
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:38,470
said that I was attracted to was stuff

1189
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:39,880
that he said in lectures where it

1190
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:44,800
doesn't appear in any in any book little

1191
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:47,770
details that the clue you into something

1192
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:51,040
far stranger than you thought and the

1193
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:53,530
one that pops out right now is that he

1194
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,990
gave a lecture and he mentioned that 25

1195
00:56:02,400 --> 00:55:58,000
bodies had been found in Point Pleasant

1196
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:02,410
in a cave and in 75 not and and that the

1197
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:04,270
authorities knew who did it but they

1198
00:56:08,580 --> 00:56:06,910
weren't prosecuting the person that's

1199
00:56:10,009 --> 00:56:08,590
I've been trying ever since to find out

1200
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:10,019
who this person

1201
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:12,729
apparently with some wealthy guy who had

1202
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:15,400
a mental problem but you know is that

1203
00:56:20,579 --> 00:56:17,410
really it is it really a mental problem

1204
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:20,589
or were they taking out people who had

1205
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,049
found out about something and could that

1206
00:56:28,469 --> 00:56:25,599
something be the actual construction of

1207
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:28,479
flying saucers it's a bit of a stretch

1208
00:56:34,890 --> 00:56:31,599
though to talk of a possible serial

1209
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:34,900
killer doing mass murders and something

1210
00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:37,210
related to any paranormal subject how do

1211
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:39,339
we make that connection well simply

1212
00:56:45,029 --> 00:56:41,950
because the researchers and witnesses

1213
00:56:47,819 --> 00:56:45,039
who believed that there might be a

1214
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:47,829
terrestrial source we're being harassed

1215
00:56:52,709 --> 00:56:50,140
by the men in black and you have some

1216
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:52,719
people like Otto bender who who

1217
00:56:58,259 --> 00:56:54,630
researched and found that there were

1218
00:57:00,719 --> 00:56:58,269
apparently thousands of murders around

1219
00:57:04,019 --> 00:57:00,729
that time around the world of different

1220
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,029
UFO researchers and witnesses okay Otto

1221
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:07,359
bender was one half of a writing team

1222
00:57:14,009 --> 00:57:10,690
that did a number of very famous science

1223
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:14,019
fiction books I met him back in the 70s

1224
00:57:19,859 --> 00:57:16,809
early 70s and he was really nice guy

1225
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:19,869
really knowledgeable he also was the

1226
00:57:24,839 --> 00:57:21,849
first editor of a magazine called space

1227
00:57:27,709 --> 00:57:24,849
world covered of course NASA and a space

1228
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:27,719
program but what can you tell us about

1229
00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:30,460
Otto's study in this particular realm I

1230
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,180
just sort of cursorily read that book

1231
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:36,400
that he I don't think had ever made it

1232
00:57:40,709 --> 00:57:38,710
into a book actually that one that's I

1233
00:57:44,999 --> 00:57:40,719
think he got scared off of actually

1234
00:57:47,549 --> 00:57:45,009
publishing that book so what I did was

1235
00:57:49,410 --> 00:57:47,559
any anything I could find that Kiel had

1236
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:49,420
written about the men in black and the

1237
00:57:53,249 --> 00:57:51,400
dangers involved I put it in these books

1238
00:57:56,759 --> 00:57:53,259
there's a lot of men in black stuff in

1239
00:57:59,809 --> 00:57:56,769
there and it is palpable you know that

1240
00:58:02,249 --> 00:57:59,819
there it was a big issue they were being

1241
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:02,259
monitored these different UFO

1242
00:58:08,579 --> 00:58:05,049
conventions were being monitored tapes

1243
00:58:11,489 --> 00:58:08,589
were stolen of audio tapes videotapes or

1244
00:58:13,319 --> 00:58:11,499
films the Keele had been involved in now

1245
00:58:15,089 --> 00:58:13,329
we should avoid the confusion here we

1246
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:15,099
have an auto bender science fiction

1247
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:17,529
science fact writer and we have Albert K

1248
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:18,870
bender

1249
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:22,410
who was involved in what is called the

1250
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:25,320
progenitor of men and black events back

1251
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:27,810
in the early 50s where he had this UFO

1252
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,570
organization in Connecticut and one day

1253
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:33,000
he says three men in black or dark suits

1254
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:35,430
came confirmed that he knew the solution

1255
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:37,980
to the UFO mystery he shut down his

1256
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:41,010
organization and inspired gray Barker to

1257
00:58:45,050 --> 00:58:42,480
write the book called they knew too much

1258
00:58:47,780 --> 00:58:45,060
about flying saucers and some kind of

1259
00:58:49,610 --> 00:58:47,790
speculate that before a great Barker

1260
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:49,620
kind of went into more of a fanciful

1261
00:58:55,090 --> 00:58:52,410
realm in the way he treated the UFO

1262
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:55,100
subject this was a straight-ahead

1263
00:59:00,740 --> 00:58:57,330
factual book also a best-selling book

1264
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:00,750
yeah you know I'm just real careful with

1265
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:03,510
Barker that was what Keith keel always

1266
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:07,140
said be careful with Barker and so you

1267
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:10,410
know I am careful but I will ask you

1268
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:13,170
since you knew Barker and I didn't how

1269
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,850
you know one thing that I found that

1270
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:17,160
suddenly it's going to be in the third

1271
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:18,330
volume we're gonna have a third volume

1272
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:21,480
of these Keele writings is the grunt

1273
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:24,480
letter which was accidentally apparently

1274
00:59:31,070 --> 00:59:27,900
sent to Kiel and it was a letter that

1275
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:31,080
Barker had written where it sounds like

1276
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:34,140
he's a spook and he's monitoring all of

1277
00:59:38,810 --> 00:59:36,900
these UFO researchers their telephones

1278
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:38,820
or something and her as their houses

1279
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:41,490
bugged or something and he alludes to a

1280
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:43,530
big event it's going to happen on

1281
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:47,520
December 14th 1967 I can't remember the

1282
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:49,470
name of that but they had a name for it

1283
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:51,390
the day after that is when the Silver

1284
00:59:58,070 --> 00:59:54,540
Bridge collapsed and so I wonder if

1285
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:58,080
Barker didn't know like maybe the Silver

1286
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:00,180
Bridge was brought down purposely and he

1287
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:02,610
somehow knew did you have any feeling

1288
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:05,310
that he was you know a spook or anything

1289
01:00:09,830 --> 01:00:07,530
like that not at all his personal

1290
01:00:12,590 --> 01:00:09,840
histories totally the opposite that he

1291
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:12,600
had a standard liberal education his

1292
01:00:17,810 --> 01:00:14,430
profession before he got full-timer to

1293
01:00:19,310 --> 01:00:17,820
UFOs was as a movie theater Booker and

1294
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:19,320
what that means it's not like being a

1295
01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:23,370
bookie it means that he would book major

1296
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:25,320
motion pictures into local theaters it

1297
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,760
isn't the way distribution works today

1298
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,520
was very local distribution in West

1299
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:31,680
Virginia but the thing about gray is

1300
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:32,610
that he was a

1301
01:00:39,050 --> 01:00:36,000
practical joker so for example he and

1302
01:00:41,810 --> 01:00:39,060
Jim Mosley on a drunken night sometime

1303
01:00:44,180 --> 01:00:41,820
they got together in the 1950s and wrote

1304
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:44,190
what is called the straigth letter where

1305
01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:46,020
it claims to be from someone from the

1306
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:48,030
cultural exchange committee of the US

1307
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:49,950
government and they wrote to people like

1308
01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:51,870
George Adamski the contactee and said

1309
01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:53,790
you know what we of course can't

1310
01:00:58,070 --> 01:00:56,550
officially acknowledge that we take you

1311
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,080
seriously but we sure do and it was a

1312
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,440
big joke and Barker would do things like

1313
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:03,780
that but sometimes Jim and gray did

1314
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:06,960
things that kind of bread real events

1315
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:08,250
like give you another one where Jim

1316
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:11,310
Mosely calls this police department and

1317
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:12,690
I was sitting there watching and

1318
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:14,730
listening to Jim make the call to this

1319
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:17,430
police department in New Jersey small

1320
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:19,470
town New Jersey with near the waunakee

1321
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:22,980
reservoir talking about a UFO and then

1322
01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:25,440
within days or maybe that same day that

1323
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:28,380
was an actual series of sightings in

1324
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:31,530
that area but it all started with a hoax

1325
01:01:37,810 --> 01:01:34,710
by Jim Mosely and in passing you wonder

1326
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:37,820
art or whatever Jim was doing

1327
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,040
imitating live so I don't know and with

1328
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:43,680
gray Barker I know he would write crazy

1329
01:01:48,190 --> 01:01:45,870
letters and I'm sure John killed knowing

1330
01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:48,200
who gray Barker was his back history

1331
01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:51,150
accepted the fact that he'd get crazy

1332
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:53,400
letters from him wouldn't take him

1333
01:01:58,310 --> 01:01:55,890
seriously but of course if they

1334
01:02:01,580 --> 01:01:58,320
precipitate or announced real events

1335
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:01,590
you wonder that's my reaction to Barker

1336
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:02,910
I just didn't take him seriously he was

1337
01:02:07,550 --> 01:02:05,160
a lot of fun really fun to talk to

1338
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:07,560
really bright guy but trying to watch

1339
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:10,380
out for that I have a letter section in

1340
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:13,140
the third book coming up that has a lot

1341
01:02:16,700 --> 01:02:14,460
of different letters going back and

1342
01:02:18,980 --> 01:02:16,710
forth and you can tell in there that the

1343
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:18,990
Kiehl's kind of okay with Barker you

1344
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:21,690
know he chastises him for sloppy

1345
01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:24,420
research they had a Mothman convention

1346
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:25,590
in Point Pleasant where they didn't

1347
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:27,630
really do any research or anything and

1348
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:30,510
orange special substances maybe yeah

1349
01:02:37,580 --> 01:02:34,140
yeah qu'il was more pissed off at Mosely

1350
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:37,590
or stirring up trouble with different

1351
01:02:42,740 --> 01:02:40,650
witnesses like Jay payro and things like

1352
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:42,750
that and the phone those crepe those

1353
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:44,690
crazy phone calls the mostly would make

1354
01:02:49,370 --> 01:02:46,440
which were upsetting

1355
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:49,380
you know different people but I just you

1356
01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:50,970
know I just had just wonder if the

1357
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:54,839
joking you know assuming there was you

1358
01:02:58,339 --> 01:02:56,730
know it's long been rumored that Barker

1359
01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:58,349
and mostly were you know spooks or

1360
01:03:01,819 --> 01:02:59,880
something and see just wonder if the

1361
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,829
jokes weren't a way to sort of cover for

1362
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:04,079
that and I don't you know I don't have

1363
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:04,859
an opinion

1364
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:07,140
either way really about him but when you

1365
01:03:12,740 --> 01:03:10,140
mentioned the movie distribution

1366
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:12,750
business as being you know sort of a

1367
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:17,369
neutral occupation I will I would point

1368
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:20,640
out that the knots the greatest Nazi

1369
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:23,450
spies supposedly was named email Codell

1370
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:26,910
who I wonder if Indrid cold the name

1371
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:29,819
isn't derived from email Codell but

1372
01:03:36,620 --> 01:03:33,000
Codell was arrested in West Virginia

1373
01:03:38,420 --> 01:03:36,630
working as a as a projectionist in a

1374
01:03:39,380 --> 01:03:38,430
movie theater I'll have to ask you more

1375
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:39,390
about that in a moment

1376
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:42,210
with Damian Chris you're in the para

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1483
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para cast comm a projectionists and

1484
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:14,880
motion picture theater you guys tell me

1485
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:17,549
where because gray barker owned a movie

1486
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:19,950
theater for some of his life the theater

1487
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:23,640
was in Harpers Ferry which is in the

1488
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,190
Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia so

1489
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,560
it's it's not in necessarily in Barker's

1490
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:30,900
area but there is a highway that goes

1491
01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:33,390
from Clark Clarksburg over to Harpers

1492
01:08:38,059 --> 01:08:34,859
Ferry we're you know I think it's Route

1493
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:38,069
33 or 50 or something where you could

1494
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:40,020
shoot shoot over there pretty fast and

1495
01:08:46,999 --> 01:08:43,259
it and West and Barker did cover the

1496
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:47,009
whole state with his business but of

1497
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:48,120
course these are at different time

1498
01:08:52,730 --> 01:08:49,140
periods

1499
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:52,740
Cadell was arrested in 43 and barker you

1500
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:54,410
know wasn't i don't know when he started

1501
01:08:59,240 --> 01:08:57,000
his business but the timing is it isn't

1502
01:09:02,090 --> 01:08:59,250
the same but you know also barker was

1503
01:09:03,980 --> 01:09:02,100
born in the early thirties i guess yeah

1504
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:03,990
we're just not out completely out of the

1505
01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:07,230
water in turn with barker and what he

1506
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:09,660
may have been up to one thing I wanted

1507
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:13,350
to ask Kris is on this paddle mutilation

1508
01:09:17,599 --> 01:09:15,150
thing there's one article that I've

1509
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:17,609
debated putting into the third book

1510
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:20,370
which keel edited but he didn't write

1511
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:22,259
but it was written by a guy named David

1512
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:26,400
DeWitt who had a theory and a lot of

1513
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:28,890
evidence actually pointing towards the

1514
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:32,670
mutilations being done by mining and oil

1515
01:09:37,730 --> 01:09:35,940
companies as a way to find out you know

1516
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:37,740
what's under the ground you can do

1517
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:39,450
testing on the muscle tissue of the

1518
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:41,730
animals that are eating the vegetation

1519
01:09:49,220 --> 01:09:45,690
on top of the surface did you have you

1520
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:49,230
I think it's called biogeochemistry did

1521
01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:51,210
you find anything about that is your

1522
01:09:57,290 --> 01:09:54,660
well no I did and there's so little

1523
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:57,300
evidence to even bounce that whole

1524
01:10:01,810 --> 01:09:59,250
scenario off of I have not been able to

1525
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,820
find any sort of studies or any

1526
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,600
corroborating

1527
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:05,280
governance that would that would

1528
01:10:11,390 --> 01:10:07,620
substantiate that as being an effective

1529
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:11,400
way of detecting metals or in in in the

1530
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:14,010
one sense that I have heard the most is

1531
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,170
prospecting for oil you know again it's

1532
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:20,760
it's just it just it seems pretty far

1533
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:23,610
out to me and and because of the wide

1534
01:10:28,610 --> 01:10:26,490
distribution of cases even if it was

1535
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:28,620
possible to determine there's so many

1536
01:10:34,190 --> 01:10:30,510
cases in areas that are known not to

1537
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:34,200
have any sort of precious minerals or

1538
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:37,880
oil that sort of thing it's not a

1539
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:42,060
one-size-fits-all answer by any stretch

1540
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:44,760
even if it was possible I have not been

1541
01:10:48,850 --> 01:10:46,500
able to find any sort of evidence that

1542
01:10:52,940 --> 01:10:48,860
would back up that that particular

1543
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:52,950
theory it is interesting it's creative

1544
01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:55,350
thinking of course and I I do like that

1545
01:11:02,750 --> 01:10:58,920
but I think there's there's a lot more I

1546
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:02,760
think viable avenues to go down as I do

1547
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:05,340
you know but again you can't discard any

1548
01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:08,250
theory to explain possibly a portion of

1549
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:10,140
cases and and that's one that I did hear

1550
01:11:14,210 --> 01:11:12,300
early on that did I just have not been

1551
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:14,220
able to find any any corroborating

1552
01:11:18,490 --> 01:11:15,930
evidence to back up the science on that

1553
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:18,500
did you the article was from Pursuit

1554
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:21,090
magazine which Gil edited and in the

1555
01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:23,370
fall of 1980 if you don't have it I can

1556
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:25,140
send it that would be great I'd love to

1557
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:28,590
see it I I am going to go quite a bit in

1558
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,020
depth on each of these various theories

1559
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:32,640
that have been proposed over the years

1560
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:34,140
and you know follow a book that I've

1561
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:36,720
already started working on and we are

1562
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,990
gonna address that particular theory and

1563
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:41,880
do some more research into that area

1564
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:44,580
this it is intriguing there are other

1565
01:11:49,490 --> 01:11:46,530
elements of doubt the mutilations that

1566
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:49,500
that may be a play here that nobody has

1567
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:52,410
ever mentioned which include mutilations

1568
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,730
following high tension power lines being

1569
01:12:01,700 --> 01:11:58,080
spread out into more more and more

1570
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:01,710
remote areas and the the whole stray

1571
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:05,070
voltage phenomenon that there is a lot

1572
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:07,410
of science about and feeding the cows

1573
01:12:12,170 --> 01:12:09,900
magnets for instance to gather hard

1574
01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:12,180
metals in their in their stomachs for

1575
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:15,180
instance of and the fact that cattle can

1576
01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:17,409
actually soak up on

1577
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:20,920
in current to that's from improperly

1578
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:24,880
grounded powerlines and him possibly you

1579
01:12:29,070 --> 01:12:27,340
know electrical systems on farms this is

1580
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,080
a whole area that I'm also looking into

1581
01:12:32,879 --> 01:12:31,360
that you've never heard this mentioned

1582
01:12:34,350 --> 01:12:32,889
in relation to cattle mutilations but

1583
01:12:37,919 --> 01:12:34,360
there does seem to be some correlation

1584
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,929
so did you hear a story about some

1585
01:12:42,780 --> 01:12:40,020
cattle that were found to have

1586
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:42,790
luminescent paint on them where numbers

1587
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:43,780
had been written on them that you

1588
01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:45,370
couldn't see with the naked eye

1589
01:12:50,490 --> 01:12:47,590
they weren't numbers yeah this was an

1590
01:12:52,919 --> 01:12:50,500
experiment that was conducted in 1978 by

1591
01:12:55,979 --> 01:12:52,929
Gabe al Dez and Howard Burgess down on

1592
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,989
the the Manuel Gomez ranch near Dulce

1593
01:13:00,750 --> 01:12:58,239
they ran a herd of I think a hundred

1594
01:13:02,490 --> 01:13:00,760
cattle underneath the various

1595
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:02,500
ultraviolet lights and they were able to

1596
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:05,290
find on I think four or five animals I'm

1597
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:06,850
not exactly sure of that number but

1598
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:10,060
there were a number of animals that had

1599
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:12,370
some sort of splotches of fluorescent

1600
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:14,590
material on their backs the animals were

1601
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:16,540
monitored of course they were very

1602
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:18,610
excited when they found this and the

1603
01:13:23,070 --> 01:13:21,070
animals were monitored in a I forget the

1604
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:23,080
timeframe but it was two or three days

1605
01:13:28,379 --> 01:13:25,630
later they ran him through this chute

1606
01:13:30,180 --> 01:13:28,389
again and the swatches were gone but

1607
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:30,190
they there their thinking was that these

1608
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:31,780
animals were being targeted from the air

1609
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:35,230
and what a what better way to to you

1610
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:36,760
know pick out your animals from a herd

1611
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:39,760
that you you are interested in then by

1612
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:43,620
some sort of fluorescein or in this case

1613
01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:46,330
paint that that is revealed by

1614
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:48,760
ultraviolet light that's the only case

1615
01:13:54,629 --> 01:13:52,810
of this I've ever heard so this is like

1616
01:13:58,379 --> 01:13:54,639
a pop culture thing I think it's it's

1617
01:14:01,530 --> 01:13:58,389
kind of spread over the years this this

1618
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:01,540
idea that this type of evidence has been

1619
01:14:06,899 --> 01:14:04,960
found routinely and this is not the case

1620
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:06,909
I only know of this one case where this

1621
01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:09,310
was actually determined with the stray

1622
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:12,280
powerline issue what is there is there

1623
01:14:17,879 --> 01:14:14,770
some theory that the charge builds up

1624
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:17,889
and then explodes out and creates some

1625
01:14:22,169 --> 01:14:20,260
mutilation how does that work well you

1626
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,179
know not necessarily I don't think that

1627
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:24,400
it's a it's a one-to-one correlation

1628
01:14:28,649 --> 01:14:26,260
like that I think possibly what's

1629
01:14:29,970 --> 01:14:28,659
happening is my brother actually was the

1630
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,980
one that really turned me on to this

1631
01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:31,280
whole whole I

1632
01:14:36,900 --> 01:14:33,740
and he seems to think that these animals

1633
01:14:39,220 --> 01:14:36,910
are being used this is some sort of

1634
01:14:40,990 --> 01:14:39,230
they're taking some form of energy out

1635
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,000
of them which doesn't only make much

1636
01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:43,280
sense to me there's a lot more efficient

1637
01:14:48,430 --> 01:14:46,760
ways to to get power but he seems to

1638
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:48,440
think that the animals had his clamp

1639
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,590
down and then the rear end is is it

1640
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:53,600
complete some sort of circuit is kind of

1641
01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:55,910
his idea which I know sounds kind of

1642
01:15:00,640 --> 01:14:58,670
ridiculously pseudo scientific but but I

1643
01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:00,650
think it's an interesting it's an

1644
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:03,080
interesting theory and I did not know

1645
01:15:07,780 --> 01:15:07,070
that cattle could soak up energy from

1646
01:15:09,670 --> 01:15:07,790
the ground

1647
01:15:11,860 --> 01:15:09,680
that's straight altijd from from power

1648
01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:11,870
sources in and this is another area that

1649
01:15:16,150 --> 01:15:13,900
I'm really going to be looking into

1650
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:16,160
extensively and there's quite a number

1651
01:15:20,230 --> 01:15:17,570
of papers that have been published on

1652
01:15:23,950 --> 01:15:20,240
this and lawsuits by ranches and by

1653
01:15:26,350 --> 01:15:23,960
farmers who sued power companies in one

1654
01:15:29,530 --> 01:15:26,360
what happens is when these animals does

1655
01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:29,540
start to build up this charge it makes

1656
01:15:33,070 --> 01:15:31,460
it difficult for them to drink they

1657
01:15:35,020 --> 01:15:33,080
laugh at the water instead of you know

1658
01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:35,030
drinking heavily you're in fully from

1659
01:15:41,170 --> 01:15:38,300
water which then of course you know you

1660
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,180
see a pretty sizable reduction in milk

1661
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:43,280
production the animals become listless

1662
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:45,830
and in they're more prone to for

1663
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:48,590
sickness and actual lawsuits have been

1664
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:51,820
filed and and one by farmers who have

1665
01:15:56,170 --> 01:15:54,290
determined that that there's ungrounded

1666
01:15:58,540 --> 01:15:56,180
power near them and that these utility

1667
01:16:00,010 --> 01:15:58,550
companies are impacting their dairy

1668
01:16:02,860 --> 01:16:00,020
business this is mostly with dairy

1669
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,870
cattle it that these types of studies

1670
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:05,360
have been done it's again this is a

1671
01:16:10,690 --> 01:16:08,410
really complicated subject as Jean will

1672
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:10,700
attest he's doing the layout for the

1673
01:16:16,330 --> 01:16:13,370
book and uh getting back to Kiel and

1674
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:16,340
Barker I have a question here it's it's

1675
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,800
not really a question but it's it points

1676
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:20,960
out a very interesting not interchange

1677
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between aquiline barking this comes from

1678
01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:25,190
century I'll tell you what Eddie I'll

1679
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:26,630
read that question from our friend

1680
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:28,910
century in our next segment with Jean

1681
01:16:36,210 --> 01:16:31,190
and Chris we're talking to Andrew Calvin

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dr. Stanton Friedman you are listening

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to the parrot game the gold standard

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normal now essentially of course as

1779
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someone who's covered the cash Landrum

1780
01:21:18,689 --> 01:21:16,480
case and he was on our show just a few

1781
01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:18,699
months ago and he's a really dedicated

1782
01:21:23,129 --> 01:21:20,440
researcher so this is a comment that

1783
01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:23,139
sentry made in our forums of forum dr.

1784
01:21:26,370 --> 01:21:25,900
Perik ass comm Chris O'Brien tell us

1785
01:21:29,459 --> 01:21:26,380
more

1786
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,469
well he points out that keel was the

1787
01:21:33,959 --> 01:21:32,080
target of many pranks and hoaxes he's

1788
01:21:36,419 --> 01:21:33,969
like I said before he's also been

1789
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,429
accused of incentives words of love to

1790
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:38,560
leave reality far behind when it suited

1791
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:41,920
the story he was telling he posts on the

1792
01:21:49,229 --> 01:21:46,330
forum a hoax panel discussion in 1990 at

1793
01:21:51,689 --> 01:21:49,239
the fort fest with Kiel and the

1794
01:21:55,290 --> 01:21:51,699
following is a verbatim transcript of

1795
01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:55,300
one of Kiehl's observations and he says

1796
01:21:59,970 --> 01:21:57,550
he thinks ufology had more hoaxes than

1797
01:22:01,950 --> 01:21:59,980
any other 40 in field and he says one of

1798
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,960
great Barker's hopes is the best one

1799
01:22:06,030 --> 01:22:03,760
probably is the Edwards Air Force Base

1800
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:06,040
hoax which you've all read about in UFO

1801
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,600
book great Barker put

1802
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,280
a memo in the form of a letter claiming

1803
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,920
that a UFO had landed at Edwards and a

1804
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:13,360
group of distinguished people including

1805
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:14,890
President Eisenhower had visited the

1806
01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:17,740
base to talk the UFO people to give

1807
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,780
himself away gray included in the list

1808
01:22:23,010 --> 01:22:21,280
of famous people who went there the

1809
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,020
names of all of his friends and he

1810
01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:25,360
listened his friends nobody even checked

1811
01:22:28,830 --> 01:22:27,160
this memo out and now it's being

1812
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:28,840
published around the world in UFO books

1813
01:22:33,690 --> 01:22:31,090
as being one of the great UFO incidents

1814
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:33,700
of the 1950s and great Barker wherever

1815
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:36,010
he is is still laughing well Century

1816
01:22:39,390 --> 01:22:37,810
says I wrote great Barker's friend Jim

1817
01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:39,400
Mosely about this and he called me up to

1818
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:41,200
say it was complete BS and a good

1819
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:43,360
example of Keo making stuff up out of

1820
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:46,810
whole cloth so I just pointed out that

1821
01:22:49,410 --> 01:22:48,070
it's very interesting that the two of

1822
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:49,420
them should be going at each other like

1823
01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:51,070
this and have you ever heard that Andy

1824
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:53,590
or gene that the gray Barker was the one

1825
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:54,850
that started the whole rumor of

1826
01:23:00,030 --> 01:22:56,650
Eisenhower visiting efforts and uh

1827
01:23:02,070 --> 01:23:00,040
meeting the the UFO knots you know what

1828
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:02,080
I didn't remember that but I can

1829
01:23:07,050 --> 01:23:03,550
certainly believe it because he was

1830
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:07,060
involved in a lot of stuff in those days

1831
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:09,250
but it's fascinating you see the way it

1832
01:23:13,950 --> 01:23:11,850
works in the UFO field guys and that is

1833
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:13,960
you have the hoax

1834
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:19,120
you have the people who spread the hoax

1835
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:23,260
or were taken in by it saying no no no

1836
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:27,010
it was a real event yeah well another

1837
01:23:30,930 --> 01:23:28,660
thing that sentry puts here is that he

1838
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:30,940
thinks qu'il is describing the gerald

1839
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:33,670
light letter to meade lane which was

1840
01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:36,910
written in April 1954 again that this is

1841
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:39,190
news to me I've never heard this

1842
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:42,310
particular theory of how that particular

1843
01:23:48,090 --> 01:23:44,410
story started how about you Andy does

1844
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:48,100
this ring any bells with you no the

1845
01:23:55,620 --> 01:23:51,610
mid-late one the Eisenhower thing I'm

1846
01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:55,630
not did anyone check to see if there are

1847
01:24:00,420 --> 01:23:57,340
names associated with that event that

1848
01:24:02,220 --> 01:24:00,430
are friends of Barker's I've never even

1849
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,230
heard of anything written down like in a

1850
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:04,000
memo for him or anything of that sort

1851
01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:07,210
myself I I've I've always wondered where

1852
01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:09,220
that particular story came from I've

1853
01:24:13,950 --> 01:24:11,590
never really given it much credence but

1854
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:13,960
gene have you heard of some sort of memo

1855
01:24:18,150 --> 01:24:16,690
associated with this not that I recall I

1856
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,160
mean a lot of stuff was going on in

1857
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:20,800
those days I didn't follow each and

1858
01:24:25,919 --> 01:24:24,040
every hoax that great barker perpetrated

1859
01:24:27,569 --> 01:24:25,929
or he perpetrated with the help of Jim

1860
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:27,579
Mosely yeah we think of the strafe

1861
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,610
letter and a few of these more regularly

1862
01:24:35,879 --> 01:24:33,520
mention hoaxes but I can't tell you that

1863
01:24:38,220 --> 01:24:35,889
I have any more information well double

1864
01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:38,230
not spy another one of our posters it

1865
01:24:43,649 --> 01:24:40,510
has a comment about the sentry posts and

1866
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:43,659
he's he says so we have a BS or calling

1867
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:46,090
BS on another BS is claim about a third

1868
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:48,730
BS are great and we still we moan and

1869
01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:51,270
groan because we don't get the respect

1870
01:24:56,189 --> 01:24:54,099
well I just you know I just have to say

1871
01:24:56,819 --> 01:24:56,199
I don't think you know Kia was a BS sir

1872
01:24:58,290 --> 01:24:56,829
at all

1873
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,300
I think he was really serious about

1874
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:00,639
trying to find the answers and I think

1875
01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:05,050
what people I think there's a ton of I

1876
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,670
guess I don't know what you call it

1877
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:09,520
bad-mouthing out there about qu'il

1878
01:25:18,810 --> 01:25:14,639
because his theories were a threat to

1879
01:25:21,959 --> 01:25:18,820
the industry of ufology and and in the

1880
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:21,969
70s when he wrote the Mothman Prophecies

1881
01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:25,270
and the 8th tower while the 8th hour

1882
01:25:30,990 --> 01:25:27,940
maybe not so much but it put a damper on

1883
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,000
the guys that like to sell the UFO books

1884
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,040
and spread the crazy stories that sell

1885
01:25:38,189 --> 01:25:36,000
books live you mention their UFO

1886
01:25:40,859 --> 01:25:38,199
industry which is very interesting here

1887
01:25:42,510 --> 01:25:40,869
that's yeah business is not just a field

1888
01:25:45,149 --> 01:25:42,520
for research it's a business as some

1889
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:45,159
people profit from not us of course but

1890
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:48,489
there you go yeah well he you know

1891
01:25:54,839 --> 01:25:51,130
there's nothing as he always said the

1892
01:25:57,060 --> 01:25:54,849
truth doesn't sell it and so I think he

1893
01:25:59,299 --> 01:25:57,070
was just seen as a thread because he was

1894
01:26:01,709 --> 01:25:59,309
saying you know this is mostly

1895
01:26:02,819 --> 01:26:01,719
hallucination it's mostly this and that

1896
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,829
and that doesn't mean it's not an

1897
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:04,239
interesting topic and can't be studied

1898
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:06,130
but I don't but I think I don't think

1899
01:26:10,919 --> 01:26:08,130
people could see that they just saw ok

1900
01:26:14,609 --> 01:26:10,929
he's bursting the bubble he's saying

1901
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,619
that the ETS don't exist therefore how

1902
01:26:18,689 --> 01:26:16,239
are we gonna sell books to all the you

1903
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:18,699
know new-age moms or whoever it is a

1904
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:19,750
buys these books

1905
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:22,270
yeah the wanna believers yeah and

1906
01:26:24,959 --> 01:26:23,440
they're out there I mean they are

1907
01:26:26,220 --> 01:26:24,969
they're they're still out there there's

1908
01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:26,230
they're everywhere they're all over a

1909
01:26:33,630 --> 01:26:29,020
million of them yeah especially you know

1910
01:26:36,210 --> 01:26:33,640
South America everywhere and

1911
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:36,220
I can understand that but but I just

1912
01:26:42,150 --> 01:26:39,070
just just I would caution the newbie or

1913
01:26:46,010 --> 01:26:42,160
the younger person to see through this

1914
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:46,020
and realize that it's just you know old

1915
01:26:51,420 --> 01:26:49,690
negative memes coming back the fact is

1916
01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:51,430
that qu'il didn't destroy the UFO

1917
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,560
industry and therefore there's no real

1918
01:26:58,290 --> 01:26:55,120
reason to have you know to continue to

1919
01:27:00,480 --> 01:26:58,300
harangue him or you know try to smear as

1920
01:27:03,210 --> 01:27:00,490
his research it's it's good stuff it's

1921
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:03,220
good research I I agree and one thing

1922
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:04,930
that I've noticed here lately is the

1923
01:27:09,870 --> 01:27:06,670
eight tower which is that has been a

1924
01:27:12,630 --> 01:27:09,880
fairly difficult book to to find one of

1925
01:27:14,670 --> 01:27:12,640
Kiehl's last books is now back in print

1926
01:27:16,860 --> 01:27:14,680
I think somebody has is reprinting this

1927
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:16,870
and I've seen ads for it one thing that

1928
01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:18,730
I must say though reading the the a

1929
01:27:24,150 --> 01:27:21,100
tower a couple of times he'll comes

1930
01:27:27,630 --> 01:27:24,160
across pretty rabid pretty pretty bitter

1931
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:27,640
in there he it's it's a book that almost

1932
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:29,950
has a kind of a sense of despair to it

1933
01:27:37,410 --> 01:27:34,630
yeah it's it's it's very interesting a

1934
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:37,420
book it kind of sticks out from from his

1935
01:27:42,660 --> 01:27:40,440
other books I talked to him about it

1936
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:42,670
What did he say about cuz he comes

1937
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:46,410
across with a lot of vitual in in there

1938
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:49,270
well I don't know I don't know how much

1939
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:51,330
vitriol there is but there's some

1940
01:27:57,330 --> 01:27:54,880
dramatization you might say or because I

1941
01:27:59,610 --> 01:27:57,340
wanted to reprint it and I would have

1942
01:28:01,770 --> 01:27:59,620
reprinted it but the anomalous you know

1943
01:28:05,370 --> 01:28:01,780
got there first and and got permission

1944
01:28:07,260 --> 01:28:05,380
from Cheryl for I did so but I wanted to

1945
01:28:10,110 --> 01:28:07,270
combine it back with the Mothman

1946
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:10,120
Prophecies to create what the Mothman

1947
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:11,770
Prophecies should have been because it

1948
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:14,320
was having heavily edited and a lot of

1949
01:28:19,980 --> 01:28:15,970
the stuff that was taken out ended up in

1950
01:28:22,260 --> 01:28:19,990
the 8th tower and Keele you know

1951
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:22,270
basically said he needed he needed to

1952
01:28:31,230 --> 01:28:28,690
come up with a what's the word a central

1953
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:31,240
theme to sort of pull the book through

1954
01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:33,400
and keep people interested because let's

1955
01:28:37,860 --> 01:28:34,600
face it people like to be entertained

1956
01:28:39,450 --> 01:28:37,870
and I found this myself you know some of

1957
01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:39,460
my Mothman books were very I think

1958
01:28:44,220 --> 01:28:42,160
they're wonderful compendiums of really

1959
01:28:46,350 --> 01:28:44,230
detailed research and findings and

1960
01:28:47,550 --> 01:28:46,360
things but it's not a story that that

1961
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:47,560
the average read

1962
01:28:52,590 --> 01:28:49,210
can really latch onto and most people

1963
01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:52,600
have difficulty reading through them so

1964
01:28:55,950 --> 01:28:53,980
kia wanted to come up with something

1965
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:55,960
that could lead people through the book

1966
01:29:01,530 --> 01:28:57,610
and it was this idea that there's an

1967
01:29:03,420 --> 01:29:01,540
artificial intelligence guiding us and

1968
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,430
you know people like jacks or fatty have

1969
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,960
latched on to this and a lot of people

1970
01:29:11,670 --> 01:29:06,400
have latched on to it

1971
01:29:15,870 --> 01:29:11,680
the Archon meme and all that and so it

1972
01:29:21,140 --> 01:29:15,880
does have it does have a speculative

1973
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:21,150
ending where he theorizes that this

1974
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,490
artificial intelligence or computer that

1975
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:26,320
has been controlling us and sending us

1976
01:29:32,130 --> 01:29:29,290
these phantasms and men in black and

1977
01:29:35,340 --> 01:29:32,140
trips to other planets that it's running

1978
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:35,350
down the batteries running down and he

1979
01:29:38,490 --> 01:29:36,730
connects it to the Ark of the Covenant

1980
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:38,500
that that was a you know something

1981
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:41,650
similar that it can send out messages to

1982
01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:45,310
people and as it runs down it's wanting

1983
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,740
us to rebuild a new computer or to

1984
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:50,320
change its battery out so that it can

1985
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,690
continue to lead us into the future with

1986
01:29:58,110 --> 01:29:55,600
its trickster antics and it's of great

1987
01:30:02,280 --> 01:29:58,120
it's a great idea and but it isn't yeah

1988
01:30:04,050 --> 01:30:02,290
it I don't know that he the only

1989
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:04,060
criticism I would have is that he didn't

1990
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:08,560
make that maybe is clear and that it is

1991
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:13,690
a trope or you know conceptualism and

1992
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:15,670
people maybe think that he really

1993
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:18,070
believes that but he didn't you know he

1994
01:30:22,050 --> 01:30:19,870
knew that it was just a device it was a

1995
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,060
literary device and there's an app

1996
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:23,920
there's actually a nice review on Amazon

1997
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:26,110
that someone wrote will go into that

1998
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:27,580
review yeah it means in a moment

1999
01:30:44,630 --> 01:30:41,790
free from the shackles of Corporate

2000
01:30:50,220 --> 01:30:44,640
America we're the place for independent

2001
01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:50,230
thinkers G C n first came attack of the

2002
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:51,670
rock codes and it was a critically

2003
01:30:55,710 --> 01:30:53,710
acclaimed success and now there's the

2004
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:55,720
coming of the protectors a former

2005
01:31:00,240 --> 01:30:57,850
military intelligence man is contacted

2006
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:00,250
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

2007
01:31:04,230 --> 01:31:02,650
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

2008
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forces on our distant planet are

2009
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planning to conquer the earth

2010
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this is a skirt 70 author you up on the

2109
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2110
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Cass Chris has got his best trickster

2111
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:08,929
voice out here to kind of sum things up

2112
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:10,850
as we have Andrew Colvin you were

2113
01:35:16,330 --> 01:35:13,850
mentioning here in connection with the

2114
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theory from he'll of course we were

2115
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talking about ultra terrestrials and

2116
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things like that the computerized

2117
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intelligence you're citing a review in

2118
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Amazon about this that kind of sums up

2119
01:35:28,930 --> 01:35:27,170
some of these viewpoints yeah I'm

2120
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looking at it here I'm trying to get the

2121
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name of the person here well it's not

2122
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coming up right away

2123
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I guess you have to click on to page two

2124
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of the of the comments and he describes

2125
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how the parts of the Mothman Prophecies

2126
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:47,420
that were taken out it's I guess his

2127
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name is je Barnes you'll see him there

2128
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it's a nice review it's a little

2129
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critical but I think he's accurate and

2130
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he describes how the first and second

2131
01:36:01,810 --> 01:35:59,540
parts I think the eighth Tower is split

2132
01:36:03,010 --> 01:36:01,820
into three basic parts and the first two

2133
01:36:06,700 --> 01:36:03,020
were taken from the Mothman Prophecies

2134
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:06,710
and the third part was where keel you

2135
01:36:12,399 --> 01:36:08,830
know brings in this artificial computer

2136
01:36:14,530 --> 01:36:12,409
issue or device and finishes out the

2137
01:36:16,750 --> 01:36:14,540
book and so you can get a better idea of

2138
01:36:18,430 --> 01:36:16,760
what I'm talking about there but you

2139
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:18,440
know you can't discount the idea of the

2140
01:36:24,459 --> 01:36:21,050
AI computer because it's a it's a really

2141
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:24,469
long time meme that goes back to

2142
01:36:30,430 --> 01:36:28,010
theosophy madam of ASCII of the nine if

2143
01:36:32,879 --> 01:36:30,440
you're familiar with the nine and

2144
01:36:36,250 --> 01:36:32,889
there's several writers who have had

2145
01:36:39,610 --> 01:36:36,260
contact with this with what they feel is

2146
01:36:41,709 --> 01:36:39,620
an orbiting platform circling the Earth

2147
01:36:45,270 --> 01:36:41,719
you've got guys like philip k dick John

2148
01:36:48,220 --> 01:36:45,280
Lilly Robert Anton Wilson Doris Lessing

2149
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:48,230
who all say that they were you know

2150
01:36:53,500 --> 01:36:50,239
hearing voices are being influenced by

2151
01:36:55,209 --> 01:36:53,510
this orbiting intelligence and we're

2152
01:36:57,550 --> 01:36:55,219
receiving phone calls in the case of

2153
01:36:58,300 --> 01:36:57,560
philip k dick and jacks our body exactly

2154
01:37:00,250 --> 01:36:58,310
the gut

2155
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:00,260
yeah the god phone you know it's

2156
01:37:03,490 --> 01:37:01,730
something very interesting here you know

2157
01:37:05,530 --> 01:37:03,500
a lot of this theory about

2158
01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:05,540
this all-encompassing computer that

2159
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:07,820
talks to people by telephone for example

2160
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:11,840
if you check the CBS TV show person of

2161
01:37:15,940 --> 01:37:13,970
interest which was created by Jonathan

2162
01:37:17,860 --> 01:37:15,950
Nolan the brother of Christopher Nolan

2163
01:37:19,870 --> 01:37:17,870
who did you know Dark Knight and all

2164
01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:19,880
that stuff and he was part of that too

2165
01:37:25,390 --> 01:37:22,060
they talked about this all-encompassing

2166
01:37:28,180 --> 01:37:25,400
computer created by this mad genius

2167
01:37:30,370 --> 01:37:28,190
played by Michael Emerson where it

2168
01:37:32,890 --> 01:37:30,380
basically knows a little bit about

2169
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:32,900
everything it's basically something that

2170
01:37:37,810 --> 01:37:35,450
was designed to provide security in the

2171
01:37:40,990 --> 01:37:37,820
United States as the theory but a side

2172
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:41,000
effect is that it knows about events

2173
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:44,960
that may impact individuals who may be

2174
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:48,050
in trouble or caused trouble and because

2175
01:37:51,250 --> 01:37:49,250
he taps into it

2176
01:37:52,630 --> 01:37:51,260
he gets information they go out and try

2177
01:37:55,390 --> 01:37:52,640
to help people so it's kind of an

2178
01:37:57,010 --> 01:37:55,400
unusual procedural where it's not the

2179
01:37:59,470 --> 01:37:57,020
crime that's committed that they have to

2180
01:38:02,050 --> 01:37:59,480
solve but the computer telling them of

2181
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:02,060
something that may happen but against

2182
01:38:06,670 --> 01:38:03,920
the all-encompassing computer and one of

2183
01:38:08,140 --> 01:38:06,680
the characters in there receives the

2184
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:08,150
messages from the computer with the

2185
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:10,490
telephone so we can see where it was

2186
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:14,000
inspired yeah it's and also don't forget

2187
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:16,730
Audrey shabu Harris and uri geller were

2188
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:19,730
also you know tapping into this right

2189
01:38:28,780 --> 01:38:23,810
platform and Carthage chorus was the CIA

2190
01:38:32,350 --> 01:38:28,790
you know a contract scientist so and I

2191
01:38:36,370 --> 01:38:32,360
you know for me it just seems like since

2192
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:36,380
it does go back since the nine which you

2193
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:38,690
know is who Horace advertised the nine

2194
01:38:46,510 --> 01:38:43,040
pretty much since the nine was led by

2195
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:46,520
different British I guess assets you

2196
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:49,130
could say I think that this is a meme

2197
01:38:52,150 --> 01:38:50,540
that may have been started by British

2198
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:52,160
intelligence and has been propagated

2199
01:38:56,440 --> 01:38:54,110
over and over again in various forms

2200
01:39:00,450 --> 01:38:56,450
what they're up to with it I'm not sure

2201
01:39:02,650 --> 01:39:00,460
except that it may be it bolsters the et

2202
01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:02,660
legend and keeps everyone you know

2203
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:06,140
looking up and into the stars instead of

2204
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:08,930
you know looking around them keeping

2205
01:39:14,110 --> 01:39:10,250
their ear to the ground the other eyes

2206
01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:14,120
this guy yeah that's how I used to end

2207
01:39:17,299 --> 01:39:15,510
my lectures

2208
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:17,309
you can keep your eyes to the sky but

2209
01:39:22,279 --> 01:39:18,480
don't forget to have your air on the

2210
01:39:24,259 --> 01:39:22,289
ground yeah you both the ones but my

2211
01:39:25,850 --> 01:39:24,269
grandpa always used to say when somebody

2212
01:39:27,259 --> 01:39:25,860
wants you to look up in the sky they've

2213
01:39:31,729 --> 01:39:27,269
always they've got their hands in your

2214
01:39:34,279 --> 01:39:31,739
pockets yeah can we say that about the

2215
01:39:37,310 --> 01:39:34,289
UFO field that there's a manner of

2216
01:39:39,770 --> 01:39:37,320
deception well no doubt no doubt I mean

2217
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,780
the big EDT guys are you know they're

2218
01:39:44,180 --> 01:39:41,760
trying to sell books and and also

2219
01:39:47,419 --> 01:39:44,190
there's a very strange thing that I get

2220
01:39:51,799 --> 01:39:47,429
into in my own books where the the

2221
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:51,809
stories the the et stories are perfectly

2222
01:39:57,049 --> 01:39:54,690
timed it seems to go along with certain

2223
01:40:00,169 --> 01:39:57,059
political events usually as a

2224
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:00,179
distraction and it's a fact because

2225
01:40:05,629 --> 01:40:03,090
they'd found you know memos CIA memos

2226
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:05,639
that say that you know let's let's put

2227
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:08,130
out a UFO story to take the heat off of

2228
01:40:12,620 --> 01:40:09,900
you know this or that operation or

2229
01:40:15,470 --> 01:40:12,630
whatever so it's it's something you have

2230
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:15,480
to think about and and I expanded it

2231
01:40:21,979 --> 01:40:18,510
more than that into other areas of

2232
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:21,989
paranormal media coverage that that

2233
01:40:28,549 --> 01:40:25,170
seemed to be designed to blend with or

2234
01:40:32,180 --> 01:40:28,559
meld with other kinds of stories as a

2235
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:32,190
way to either distract mislead or create

2236
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:35,250
unusual subconscious metaphors for

2237
01:40:41,419 --> 01:40:38,130
people for instance with Bigfoot you

2238
01:40:43,220 --> 01:40:41,429
often have Bigfoot being shot around the

2239
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:43,230
time say of the Trayvon Martin shooting

2240
01:40:50,029 --> 01:40:46,170
there was a Bigfoot shooting and so

2241
01:40:52,819 --> 01:40:50,039
Bigfoot seems to be a stand-in my theory

2242
01:40:56,990 --> 01:40:52,829
is that he represents the wild man as we

2243
01:40:59,600 --> 01:40:57,000
all know but that they continue to have

2244
01:41:02,000 --> 01:40:59,610
Bigfoot they continue to propagate the

2245
01:41:05,509 --> 01:41:02,010
Bigfoot stories yet Bigfoot is never

2246
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:05,519
found and he's he's shot in straight at

2247
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:08,840
strange times in order to sort of

2248
01:41:16,750 --> 01:41:13,289
program people to to be less independent

2249
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:16,760
to be to not associate with the wild man

2250
01:41:21,259 --> 01:41:19,260
within themselves and I know this is a

2251
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:21,269
bit psychological but that's the kind of

2252
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:23,130
thing I get into in my own in my own

2253
01:41:25,399 --> 01:41:23,489
books

2254
01:41:26,839 --> 01:41:25,409
well Andy that's really interesting that

2255
01:41:28,270 --> 01:41:26,849
you should mention that because one of

2256
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:28,280
the things that I found

2257
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:31,280
my research of where certain memes

2258
01:41:36,850 --> 01:41:33,770
started trying to explain the cattle

2259
01:41:39,550 --> 01:41:36,860
mutilation phenomenon where and when the

2260
01:41:41,260 --> 01:41:39,560
first cases occurred and some of the

2261
01:41:42,850 --> 01:41:41,270
attendant phenomena that were reported

2262
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,860
in these areas and one of the things

2263
01:41:47,950 --> 01:41:44,480
that came up is Bigfoot and while in

2264
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:47,960
like wild man sightings around the area

2265
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,530
north of st. Louis there was an outbreak

2266
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:53,360
of this creature that was the nickname

2267
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,290
mo mo which priests aged cow cattle

2268
01:42:01,900 --> 01:41:58,880
rustling by helicopters and later

2269
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:01,910
mutilations also down in in Lawton

2270
01:42:08,740 --> 01:42:06,440
Oklahoma there was a weird event of this

2271
01:42:10,420 --> 01:42:08,750
wild man who was seen dressed in in

2272
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:10,430
tight-fitting pants over like three

2273
01:42:16,030 --> 01:42:12,770
sizes too small in a plaid jacket was

2274
01:42:17,950 --> 01:42:16,040
leaping off of roofs and running wildly

2275
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:17,960
across streets and freaking people out

2276
01:42:23,020 --> 01:42:20,510
and then again you have an outbreak of

2277
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:23,030
interesting cattle rustling and

2278
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:25,370
mutilation activity and and there are

2279
01:42:31,300 --> 01:42:28,130
many other examples if you if you look

2280
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:31,310
and it's it's amazing that why would

2281
01:42:36,490 --> 01:42:33,410
these things all line up there there are

2282
01:42:38,170 --> 01:42:36,500
also places that had great airship

2283
01:42:39,670 --> 01:42:38,180
sightings for instance that are

2284
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:39,680
associated with with some of these

2285
01:42:46,780 --> 01:42:43,730
locations the Ellsbury Missouri flap

2286
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:46,790
that occurred in 78 for instance was

2287
01:42:53,710 --> 01:42:51,290
priests aged by a Bigfoot report in

2288
01:42:55,570 --> 01:42:53,720
close proximity to the area where these

2289
01:42:57,490 --> 01:42:55,580
cases were occurring so I think it's

2290
01:43:01,090 --> 01:42:57,500
very interesting you bring that up this

2291
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:01,100
this it is rolls over into the whole

2292
01:43:05,890 --> 01:43:04,010
cattle death realm as well Keele found

2293
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:05,900
that there were a lot of mutilations in

2294
01:43:11,530 --> 01:43:08,570
the in the mid 60's in West Virginia I

2295
01:43:14,190 --> 01:43:11,540
mean that's about the earliest I found

2296
01:43:18,250 --> 01:43:14,200
and we've got some of that in the books

2297
01:43:20,590 --> 01:43:18,260
around Gallipolis and in Pennsylvania as

2298
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:20,600
well well I kind of got you trumped on

2299
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:23,570
the the earliest reports I found reports

2300
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:25,730
from the court of King James the first

2301
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:30,890
and 1605 and six so I write when

2302
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:33,050
Shakespeare was writing Macbeth and and

2303
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:36,230
Guy Fawkes was being drawn and quartered

2304
01:43:40,580 --> 01:43:38,690
in in Seneca around the realm right

2305
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,590
within ten days of that

2306
01:43:44,839 --> 01:43:42,800
there was a court record of hundreds of

2307
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:44,849
mysterious sheep mutilations in and

2308
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:47,190
around London yeah well they're a lot of

2309
01:43:52,220 --> 01:43:49,020
these things do seem to have come from

2310
01:43:53,419 --> 01:43:52,230
British mythology but I don't know how

2311
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:53,429
much time we have before the next break

2312
01:44:00,979 --> 01:43:56,580
do we have a minute do we have a minute

2313
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:00,989
we have a minute and twenty okay one of

2314
01:44:05,950 --> 01:44:03,449
the things that I crazy theories I have

2315
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:05,960
is that the timing of the Bigfoot

2316
01:44:12,169 --> 01:44:09,440
propagation of the Bigfoot stories was

2317
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:12,179
right before the Silver Bridge collapsed

2318
01:44:18,290 --> 01:44:16,560
in 67 by the way someone in a plaid

2319
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:18,300
jacket was seen on the bridge the night

2320
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:20,130
the day before it collapsed so you have

2321
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:22,290
the plaid jacket thing which in some

2322
01:44:26,419 --> 01:44:24,690
cases the plaid jacket guy is paranormal

2323
01:44:27,890 --> 01:44:26,429
there are actual men in black that seem

2324
01:44:30,379 --> 01:44:27,900
paranormal that wear the plaid jacket

2325
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:30,389
but there's other cases where actual

2326
01:44:34,129 --> 01:44:31,800
government agents have been known to

2327
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,139
wear plaid jackets as a way to blend in

2328
01:44:40,010 --> 01:44:36,719
so you always have this problem with

2329
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:40,020
with with these cases all these cases of

2330
01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:41,489
whether or not it's synthetic or natural

2331
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:44,340
so in my books I try to you know parse

2332
01:44:48,919 --> 01:44:46,290
that out so that people can get it a

2333
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,929
better way to approach cases so they're

2334
01:44:55,609 --> 01:44:51,360
not bamboozled by you know one or the

2335
01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:55,619
other but Mothman seems Mothman was

2336
01:45:01,399 --> 01:44:59,250
making all this stinking in 66 and 67

2337
01:45:03,500 --> 01:45:01,409
which I think was somewhat troublesome

2338
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:03,510
for authorities so it could be that they

2339
01:45:08,780 --> 01:45:06,480
started promoting Bigfoot as a way to

2340
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:08,790
sort of replace Mothman but keel

2341
01:45:12,919 --> 01:45:10,139
actually thought that the two might be

2342
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:12,929
the same creature interesting very

2343
01:45:16,850 --> 01:45:14,400
interesting we'll have a lot more with

2344
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:16,860
Andrew Colvin with Jeanne and Chris

2345
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:20,000
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2346
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:33,500
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2347
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2360
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2361
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2363
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2364
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2365
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:16,680
bank having a lead back at interest

2366
01:46:20,300 --> 01:46:18,450
forcing taxes to service debt this

2367
01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:20,310
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

2368
01:46:23,390 --> 01:46:21,780
stating a central bank issuing the

2369
01:46:24,530 --> 01:46:23,400
public currency is a greater menace to

2370
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:24,540
the liberties of the people than a

2371
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:25,890
standing army today understand I'm

2372
01:46:29,150 --> 01:46:27,330
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2373
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:29,160
that explains our monetary system call

2374
01:46:35,810 --> 01:46:32,610
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2375
01:46:39,539 --> 01:46:35,820
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2376
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:39,549
that's 800 686 to 237

2377
01:46:44,489 --> 01:46:42,249
it's no secret that silver is one of the

2378
01:46:46,469 --> 01:46:44,499
oldest known natural antibiotics but the

2379
01:46:48,809 --> 01:46:46,479
mainstream media will never tell We the

2380
01:46:50,429 --> 01:46:48,819
People this information why many drug

2381
01:46:52,529 --> 01:46:50,439
companies and politicians have dangerous

2382
01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:52,539
alliances that manipulate the way we

2383
01:46:56,639 --> 01:46:54,369
live by prescribing drugs that only

2384
01:46:58,559 --> 01:46:56,649
manage disease keeping us dependent on

2385
01:47:00,539 --> 01:46:58,569
Big Pharma and with Obamacare at our

2386
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doorstep we are now forced into a system

2387
01:47:04,289 --> 01:47:02,349
that many of us do not want any part of

2388
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and no man or government has the right

2389
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:06,489
to dictate how we as free people choose

2390
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to take care of our health

2391
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here's Jane Steinberg all sorts of wacky

2409
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:06,700
stories things that John keel brought to

2410
01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:09,040
light that lots of other UFO

2411
01:48:14,370 --> 01:48:11,590
investigators tried to stick under the

2412
01:48:17,130 --> 01:48:14,380
rug because maybe it didn't fit with

2413
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,140
their theory of the day or the theories

2414
01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:19,600
that they wanted to present not that

2415
01:48:23,010 --> 01:48:21,100
John keel made a lot of money from it

2416
01:48:24,930 --> 01:48:23,020
except for Mothman Prophecies and some

2417
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:24,940
of his earlier books you know he didn't

2418
01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:27,550
do so well financially so for him it

2419
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:30,190
wasn't anything that he could gain by in

2420
01:48:34,380 --> 01:48:32,650
fact if he was a more mainstream writer

2421
01:48:36,690 --> 01:48:34,390
you kind of think he would have done a

2422
01:48:40,620 --> 01:48:36,700
lot better does anyone ever ask how much

2423
01:48:42,990 --> 01:48:40,630
money David Icke is made I mean well his

2424
01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:43,000
business partner ended up with all most

2425
01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:45,100
of it at one point he got he got

2426
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:47,470
hoodwinked heard a little bit of

2427
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:49,450
rumblings about that but man the guy

2428
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:51,610
does make some dough he definitely makes

2429
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:53,770
some serious scratch that's right when

2430
01:49:01,550 --> 01:48:55,210
you've got reptilians under the White

2431
01:49:06,090 --> 01:49:03,780
well we're not gonna go there I've got

2432
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:06,100
another interesting question here from

2433
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:09,280
the forum dr. Peric ascom this comes

2434
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,130
from burnt State who is turning into one

2435
01:49:16,620 --> 01:49:14,080
of our reels steady posters he's

2436
01:49:20,670 --> 01:49:16,630
approaching the 1,000 host club here at

2437
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:20,680
Forum dr. Peres cast comm any he starts

2438
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:22,090
out with a very interesting Killian

2439
01:49:26,820 --> 01:49:24,490
quote which I think anyone who's read

2440
01:49:29,460 --> 01:49:26,830
Trojan horse operation Trojan horse will

2441
01:49:30,750 --> 01:49:29,470
recognize the quote is our skies have

2442
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:30,760
been filled with Trojan horses

2443
01:49:34,440 --> 01:49:32,710
throughout history and like the original

2444
01:49:37,890 --> 01:49:34,450
Trojan horse they seemed to conceal

2445
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:37,900
hostile intent Kiehl's gets branded as a

2446
01:49:43,020 --> 01:49:40,840
demonologist in his point and it's a

2447
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:43,030
point proposed by him over and over

2448
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:45,010
again in his writing that the paranormal

2449
01:49:49,500 --> 01:49:46,900
phenomena we are seeing his demonic in

2450
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:49,510
nature what are the best proofs that

2451
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:52,480
Keele had to support this a demonic

2452
01:49:56,940 --> 01:49:54,730
theory when we have so few if any

2453
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:56,950
recorded provable instances of humans

2454
01:50:00,010 --> 01:49:58,960
being damaged killed or tortured by UFOs

2455
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:00,020
or their occupied

2456
01:50:04,510 --> 01:50:03,050
that's a good question well he basically

2457
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:04,520
saying that the keel said that that's

2458
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:06,410
you know he was a demonologist that this

2459
01:50:11,110 --> 01:50:08,650
is all hostile and demonic in nature but

2460
01:50:13,330 --> 01:50:11,120
burn state points out that we have so

2461
01:50:14,830 --> 01:50:13,340
few if any recorded provable instances

2462
01:50:17,470 --> 01:50:14,840
of humans being damaged killed or

2463
01:50:20,050 --> 01:50:17,480
tortured by UFOs or their occupant well

2464
01:50:23,110 --> 01:50:20,060
that's the last thing first the evidence

2465
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:23,120
the evidence has been suppressed heal

2466
01:50:31,420 --> 01:50:28,090
points out many cases in these books of

2467
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:31,430
people being hurt there's there's

2468
01:50:35,620 --> 01:50:34,250
there's one article in outer limits of

2469
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:35,630
The Twilight Zone which is the second

2470
01:50:41,260 --> 01:50:38,810
book where he talks I mean the title of

2471
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:41,270
the article is burn blinded and and

2472
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:44,960
maimed by UFOs I'm paraphrasing you know

2473
01:50:50,590 --> 01:50:47,690
it's case after case of people who have

2474
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:50,600
been killed by UFOs you know the flesh

2475
01:50:54,690 --> 01:50:52,610
is burnt off of them you know their bone

2476
01:50:58,209 --> 01:50:54,700
their flesh falls off their bones and

2477
01:50:59,470 --> 01:50:58,219
these cases are just all suppressed for

2478
01:51:01,360 --> 01:50:59,480
whatever reason because they're not

2479
01:51:03,820 --> 01:51:01,370
they're horrible and they're scary and

2480
01:51:05,590 --> 01:51:03,830
you know you'd think that maybe the

2481
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:05,600
money makers out there would resurrect

2482
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:07,850
these because you know they sell I mean

2483
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:12,050
terror cells beer cells so I do wonder

2484
01:51:16,300 --> 01:51:13,790
why we don't hear more about them but

2485
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:16,310
it's not true that there aren't cases

2486
01:51:19,930 --> 01:51:18,110
like this out there there are many there

2487
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:19,940
are many cases of people that have been

2488
01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:23,810
had I damage serious eye damage from

2489
01:51:30,580 --> 01:51:27,170
looking at UFOs I don't you know as far

2490
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:30,590
as the demonology thing goes anytime I

2491
01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:33,530
hear Kiel described as a demonologist I

2492
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:34,870
know that it's coming from the

2493
01:51:43,090 --> 01:51:38,719
cryptozoology crowd who tried their best

2494
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:43,100
to you know make him look bad by calling

2495
01:51:46,690 --> 01:51:45,410
him a demonologist but what's you know

2496
01:51:50,650 --> 01:51:46,700
that's crazy

2497
01:51:52,300 --> 01:51:50,660
he what is the demonologist I mean is

2498
01:51:54,820 --> 01:51:52,310
that someone that supposedly believes in

2499
01:51:56,410 --> 01:51:54,830
demons I mean well didn't he make some

2500
01:51:59,410 --> 01:51:56,420
comment to Jerry Clark I think at one

2501
01:52:01,510 --> 01:51:59,420
point where where Clark referred to him

2502
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:01,520
as a ufologist and he any kind of said I

2503
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:03,130
know you Paul just I'm a demonologist

2504
01:52:08,050 --> 01:52:06,290
III would say that's a joke yeah I would

2505
01:52:11,229 --> 01:52:08,060
be a good example of Kiehl's or Kiehl's

2506
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,239
humor a very dry sense of humor yeah I

2507
01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:13,520
don't know what went on with between

2508
01:52:17,740 --> 01:52:16,160
hemming Park but it wasn't pretty and so

2509
01:52:20,590 --> 01:52:17,750
you know Clark definitely had an axe to

2510
01:52:24,850 --> 01:52:20,600
grind with keel because he was his

2511
01:52:26,410 --> 01:52:24,860
protege and I don't know you know it

2512
01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:26,420
seemed to me that there was a flip-flop

2513
01:52:31,150 --> 01:52:29,240
that occurred when when Clark and

2514
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:31,160
Coleman wrote their first two books they

2515
01:52:36,910 --> 01:52:33,890
were interdimensional most you might say

2516
01:52:40,210 --> 01:52:36,920
they described these different hairy

2517
01:52:41,500 --> 01:52:40,220
monsters as having glowing eyes all the

2518
01:52:43,180 --> 01:52:41,510
things he associated with the Mothman

2519
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:43,190
stories and things and as time went by

2520
01:52:48,220 --> 01:52:45,890
they became more nuts-and-bolts II I

2521
01:52:50,620 --> 01:52:48,230
guess where suddenly you know Bigfoot is

2522
01:52:52,270 --> 01:52:50,630
just a creature a regular animal in the

2523
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:52,280
forest instead of an interdimensional

2524
01:52:57,610 --> 01:52:54,050
creature I don't know why that happened

2525
01:52:59,740 --> 01:52:57,620
but you know at first they were on keels

2526
01:53:03,540 --> 01:52:59,750
side you might say and then suddenly

2527
01:53:07,150 --> 01:53:03,550
they're not and keel felt like there was

2528
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:07,160
there's a quote in the second book where

2529
01:53:12,970 --> 01:53:11,360
he basically accuses I I would say that

2530
01:53:15,460 --> 01:53:12,980
he says they're kind of in it for the

2531
01:53:18,940 --> 01:53:15,470
money or you know there's a lot of ego

2532
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:18,950
involved in the UFO field and encrypt of

2533
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:21,920
Zoology where people are arguing over

2534
01:53:27,070 --> 01:53:24,590
you know their positions they want to

2535
01:53:30,460 --> 01:53:27,080
you know sell books and so forth so I

2536
01:53:32,130 --> 01:53:30,470
just I think that's the demonology thing

2537
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:32,140
is system yet another one of these

2538
01:53:36,670 --> 01:53:34,610
negative stereotypes has been thrown out

2539
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:36,680
which is based on nothing but but but a

2540
01:53:44,770 --> 01:53:41,810
sarcastic wit that the keel had yeah

2541
01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:44,780
well again I I think getting back to

2542
01:53:50,050 --> 01:53:47,510
that original question about harm being

2543
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:50,060
done by UFOs and their occupants I think

2544
01:53:57,490 --> 01:53:54,560
most cases of physical harm that have

2545
01:53:59,440 --> 01:53:57,500
been reported or inadvertent and have to

2546
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,450
do with the energetic properties of the

2547
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:02,000
object not so much hostile intent it's

2548
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:03,770
like the person is in the wrong place at

2549
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:05,570
the wrong time Travis Walton is an

2550
01:54:11,710 --> 01:54:08,930
example the the mishil act case in

2551
01:54:13,780 --> 01:54:11,720
Canada is another example dr. X in

2552
01:54:16,300 --> 01:54:13,790
France these people actually were in

2553
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:16,310
we're any too close a proximity to the

2554
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:18,560
objects and suffered physical effects

2555
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:22,250
now the only real cases I've heard of

2556
01:54:26,990 --> 01:54:24,530
that have any sort of indication of

2557
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:27,000
hostility are the Caloris cases of

2558
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:28,050
the hunters at the mouth of the Amazon

2559
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:31,500
getting zapped as the hunting at night

2560
01:54:37,310 --> 01:54:34,170
sitting up in trees by these super

2561
01:54:40,670 --> 01:54:37,320
objects that seem to be targeting them

2562
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:40,680
yes and a number of people were were hit

2563
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,110
and a number of them died and this is

2564
01:54:48,380 --> 01:54:45,360
all fairly well established I think Baba

2565
01:54:51,710 --> 01:54:48,390
Pratt jacques ballet others AG Guevara

2566
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:51,720
and others have documented some of the

2567
01:54:56,090 --> 01:54:54,690
autopsy results and in some some pretty

2568
01:54:59,060 --> 01:54:56,100
compelling evidence that this is the

2569
01:55:01,700 --> 01:54:59,070
case now this is quite the aberration

2570
01:55:03,650 --> 01:55:01,710
though we're talking you know hundreds

2571
01:55:06,490 --> 01:55:03,660
of thousands of sightings and very very

2572
01:55:09,860 --> 01:55:06,500
few reports of any sort of hostile

2573
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:09,870
intent or action and especially in this

2574
01:55:14,420 --> 01:55:11,610
country now down in South America and

2575
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:14,430
other other places I think maybe there's

2576
01:55:21,110 --> 01:55:17,040
more of a higher incidence of hostility

2577
01:55:23,090 --> 01:55:21,120
but you know again I I don't think he'll

2578
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:23,100
ever really suggested that there was

2579
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:25,290
some sort of hostility I think he was

2580
01:55:29,630 --> 01:55:26,970
mainly saying that they're just here to

2581
01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:29,640
confound us and mess with us

2582
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:33,030
not necessarily harm us but but to just

2583
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:36,170
keep us always a back on our heels

2584
01:55:42,140 --> 01:55:39,840
similar to a trickster type scenario but

2585
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:42,150
would you agree with that or do you want

2586
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:44,370
to add or subtract from that yeah I

2587
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:46,290
think that we might be getting into the

2588
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:49,290
natural versus synthetic here maybe but

2589
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:50,850
yeah you're right South America is where

2590
01:55:55,580 --> 01:55:53,010
most of these dangerous ones occurred

2591
01:55:57,710 --> 01:55:55,590
and it usually is in prison relation to

2592
01:56:00,890 --> 01:55:57,720
how close they get the closer you got to

2593
01:56:02,570 --> 01:56:00,900
it the more dangerous ago and so we

2594
01:56:05,390 --> 01:56:02,580
obviously don't hear about all the South

2595
01:56:09,740 --> 01:56:05,400
American cases but Keele does list

2596
01:56:12,340 --> 01:56:09,750
several in the books here so they're

2597
01:56:15,740 --> 01:56:12,350
they're worthy of reading but you know

2598
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,750
some of the natural quote natural lights

2599
01:56:19,250 --> 01:56:17,520
the diamond lights that he described

2600
01:56:20,540 --> 01:56:19,260
which are which you don't want to get

2601
01:56:23,210 --> 01:56:20,550
close to because they're putting off

2602
01:56:25,700 --> 01:56:23,220
actinic rays and things are maybe

2603
01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:25,710
natural and then some of this some of

2604
01:56:31,970 --> 01:56:28,400
the dangerous UFOs may be synthetic

2605
01:56:36,430 --> 01:56:31,980
maybe they're using nuclear power who

2606
01:56:38,810 --> 01:56:36,440
knows but he'll actually was the first

2607
01:56:40,820 --> 01:56:38,820
researcher to come up with the breakaway

2608
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:40,830
civilization idea although he didn't

2609
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:44,610
call it that he wrote an article about

2610
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:47,820
it and speculated that our country was

2611
01:56:57,130 --> 01:56:50,970
being taken over which to me means he's

2612
01:57:01,640 --> 01:56:57,140
talking about synthetic craft built by

2613
01:57:03,410 --> 01:57:01,650
somebody that has secret bases around

2614
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:03,420
the country in the oceans and also

2615
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:06,690
within the country he pointed out that a

2616
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:08,250
lot of them came from Canada and a lot

2617
01:57:12,860 --> 01:57:09,450
of them seem to come up from South

2618
01:57:15,650 --> 01:57:12,870
America so he's laying out sort of a

2619
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:15,660
grid where he's saying that there are

2620
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:19,440
these bases around and he just doesn't

2621
01:57:24,980 --> 01:57:23,040
he just doesn't take the the extra step

2622
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:24,990
of naming who it might be

2623
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2624
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it sounds very tantalizing we able to

2725
02:02:07,799 --> 02:02:05,260
get more information about that Andrew

2726
02:02:12,209 --> 02:02:07,809
Colvin did he name who we thought this

2727
02:02:14,580 --> 02:02:12,219
breakaway civilization was yes no and do

2728
02:02:19,260 --> 02:02:14,590
I know I don't know I would say it's

2729
02:02:22,350 --> 02:02:19,270
probably a multinational effort could be

2730
02:02:24,419 --> 02:02:22,360
could go back to the Nazi UFOs there

2731
02:02:27,419 --> 02:02:24,429
could be a Nazi element X Nazi element

2732
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:27,429
there could be a British element because

2733
02:02:32,939 --> 02:02:30,130
they're the ones who who ended up with a

2734
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:32,949
lot of the technology there's an

2735
02:02:37,859 --> 02:02:35,280
obviously probably United States element

2736
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:37,869
well how about Marconi he disappeared

2737
02:02:42,030 --> 02:02:40,210
into Venezuela in the 30s didn't he yeah

2738
02:02:43,709 --> 02:02:42,040
there's an Italian element no doubt I

2739
02:02:46,140 --> 02:02:43,719
mean there's even a quote from an

2740
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:46,150
Italian engineer who claimed he had

2741
02:02:52,020 --> 02:02:48,780
built these things during the Nazi era

2742
02:02:54,299 --> 02:02:52,030
who said that post-war that was too

2743
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expensive to build them in Italy so they

2744
02:02:58,799 --> 02:02:56,559
they sent them here to be built with

2745
02:03:02,040 --> 02:02:58,809
cheaper labor in America so who's

2746
02:03:04,589 --> 02:03:02,050
running this show is I would say it's

2747
02:03:07,020 --> 02:03:04,599
some sort of NATO group or something you

2748
02:03:09,359 --> 02:03:07,030
know it's a big that's the breakaway

2749
02:03:12,419 --> 02:03:09,369
civilization ideas is really hot right

2750
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:12,429
now and I don't know if anyone out there

2751
02:03:16,589 --> 02:03:15,040
is asking that question of just exactly

2752
02:03:20,370 --> 02:03:16,599
who it is or if they're all you know

2753
02:03:23,939 --> 02:03:20,380
afraid to to go there yeah it is getting

2754
02:03:26,910 --> 02:03:23,949
a lot of attention now I think Richard

2755
02:03:28,049 --> 02:03:26,920
Dolan of course is one of the people

2756
02:03:29,930 --> 02:03:28,059
that have really jumped on this

2757
02:03:32,609 --> 02:03:29,940
particular bandwagon

2758
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:32,619
another one is Joseph Ferrell some of

2759
02:03:36,089 --> 02:03:34,239
his word and suggests that there's

2760
02:03:38,069 --> 02:03:36,099
there's some sort of breakaway

2761
02:03:39,930 --> 02:03:38,079
civilization with super exotic

2762
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:39,940
technology that's being hidden from the

2763
02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:42,130
rest of us I would need to see more

2764
02:03:47,459 --> 02:03:45,280
proof of this I there is a tantalizing

2765
02:03:51,180 --> 02:03:47,469
body of evidence but I don't really see

2766
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:51,190
it being slam-dunk yet I have another

2767
02:03:55,650 --> 02:03:52,730
question here

2768
02:03:58,960 --> 02:03:55,660
maybe you can make sense of this now

2769
02:04:02,110 --> 02:03:58,970
Wade Ridsdale wants to know if you've

2770
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:02,120
ever tried calling Mothman at home but

2771
02:04:05,410 --> 02:04:03,650
he says in all seriousness do you know

2772
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:05,420
how the urban legend about his phone

2773
02:04:11,050 --> 02:04:08,090
number three oh four six seven five five

2774
02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:11,060
three five two came to be oh is that the

2775
02:04:17,620 --> 02:04:14,030
number that that you call in Point

2776
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:17,630
Pleasant to get I'm not sure this yak

2777
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:19,970
waiting this with Mothman and having a

2778
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:21,770
phone numbers I've never heard this one

2779
02:04:24,100 --> 02:04:22,130
before

2780
02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:24,110
yeah it's a phone number that was in

2781
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:26,270
operation for many years I think it went

2782
02:04:34,750 --> 02:04:30,290
offline about five years ago and I think

2783
02:04:37,660 --> 02:04:34,760
it was traced to a Chinese restaurant or

2784
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:37,670
or a house behind Chinese restaurant you

2785
02:04:43,330 --> 02:04:41,210
know Chinese is where Mothman was seen a

2786
02:04:45,250 --> 02:04:43,340
couple of times there's a whole lot to

2787
02:04:47,290 --> 02:04:45,260
say about Point Pleasant and what goes

2788
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:47,300
on there you know you have the TNT area

2789
02:04:52,030 --> 02:04:49,340
which has was doing secret Navy

2790
02:04:54,220 --> 02:04:52,040
reclamation work in the 60s with a

2791
02:04:57,250 --> 02:04:54,230
sophisticated underground network of

2792
02:05:00,070 --> 02:04:57,260
tunnels many of which were flooded for

2793
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:00,080
some reason then you have about two

2794
02:05:05,730 --> 02:05:01,810
miles away the Defense Logistics

2795
02:05:10,750 --> 02:05:05,740
agencies site which is enormous which is

2796
02:05:13,450 --> 02:05:10,760
very old as well where they store rare

2797
02:05:16,750 --> 02:05:13,460
minerals and things for the military the

2798
02:05:19,150 --> 02:05:16,760
DLA is the it used to be called Defense

2799
02:05:20,830 --> 02:05:19,160
Industrial Security Command or disc but

2800
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:20,840
now it's called DLA they're

2801
02:05:25,780 --> 02:05:23,930
headquartered in Columbus Ohio they pay

2802
02:05:27,340 --> 02:05:25,790
their the paymaster's rila mill for the

2803
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:27,350
military all the money for the military

2804
02:05:30,730 --> 02:05:29,330
goes through them and they have all the

2805
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:30,740
precious resources that are needed to

2806
02:05:35,980 --> 02:05:33,650
build exotic things gold titanium

2807
02:05:38,290 --> 02:05:35,990
whatever platinum those are stored in

2808
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:38,300
the DLA there's an old part and a new

2809
02:05:46,330 --> 02:05:41,930
part the old part of the DLA was around

2810
02:05:48,010 --> 02:05:46,340
before World War two we went we snuck in

2811
02:05:49,900 --> 02:05:48,020
there not too long ago to see what was

2812
02:05:51,370 --> 02:05:49,910
in the warehouse is there you can't get

2813
02:05:52,930 --> 02:05:51,380
in the new part but you can get in the

2814
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:52,940
old part it was recently sold to a

2815
02:05:57,640 --> 02:05:54,850
private investor for a million dollars

2816
02:05:59,170 --> 02:05:57,650
but they cleaned out before they cleaned

2817
02:06:02,410 --> 02:05:59,180
out the warehouses we went in there and

2818
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:02,420
found that these at least six enormous

2819
02:06:06,030 --> 02:06:04,330
warehouses were filled with nothing but

2820
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:06,040
thousands of bags of

2821
02:06:11,730 --> 02:06:08,890
okay Braccio bark from south america why

2822
02:06:14,010 --> 02:06:11,740
i don't know but i found that in the

2823
02:06:18,750 --> 02:06:14,020
region where the kabocha bark is grown

2824
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:18,760
is where there is a religion that called

2825
02:06:24,060 --> 02:06:21,760
the or ruh-roh religion which worships

2826
02:06:27,150 --> 02:06:24,070
Mothman like figure as well as the

2827
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:27,160
Virgin Mary and in this area where I

2828
02:06:31,230 --> 02:06:29,290
live the two figures were seen quite a

2829
02:06:34,740 --> 02:06:31,240
bit a Virgin Mary like entity and

2830
02:06:36,630 --> 02:06:34,750
Mothman there's also a bird that likes

2831
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:36,640
to live in the quebrado trees it's a

2832
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:39,760
parrot which a group of these parrots

2833
02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:41,770
live in Seattle in a place called Seward

2834
02:06:46,650 --> 02:06:44,080
Park and we've had three Mothman

2835
02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:46,660
sightings in Seward Park recently one of

2836
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:50,110
which where the creature touched the

2837
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:52,570
witness and he said that the mouth man's

2838
02:06:57,660 --> 02:06:54,730
hand turned from a talent into a hand a

2839
02:07:00,180 --> 02:06:57,670
human hand and back and forth and that

2840
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:00,190
Mothman told him to remember door 11 and

2841
02:07:05,730 --> 02:07:03,970
at that time I'm trying to remember this

2842
02:07:09,710 --> 02:07:05,740
is a pretty read this stuff just

2843
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:09,720
happened this summer and soon after that

2844
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:14,530
we had a sighting of Mothman in Southern

2845
02:07:19,740 --> 02:07:18,010
California by Walter Bosley right after

2846
02:07:22,050 --> 02:07:19,750
we had been there looking at these

2847
02:07:24,810 --> 02:07:22,060
different sacred sites and things that

2848
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:24,820
he connects to the Aleister Crowley

2849
02:07:29,180 --> 02:07:26,890
legend and all and a bunch of other

2850
02:07:31,980 --> 02:07:29,190
stuff but there was some strange

2851
02:07:34,650 --> 02:07:31,990
synchronicities that happened one of

2852
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:34,660
which was at the same time these

2853
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:36,850
sightings occurred one of our

2854
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:38,530
researchers on mathy talk which is my

2855
02:07:43,380 --> 02:07:40,690
facebook discretion group found that

2856
02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:43,390
Bohemian Grove there used to be a garuda

2857
02:07:47,250 --> 02:07:45,490
statue and if you know anything about

2858
02:07:49,500 --> 02:07:47,260
keels work the Garuda was one of his

2859
02:07:51,390 --> 02:07:49,510
explanations for Mothman you know before

2860
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:51,400
they had the Moloch statue at Bohemian

2861
02:07:59,160 --> 02:07:54,850
Grove they had a Garuda statue and this

2862
02:08:01,620 --> 02:07:59,170
is so freaky it was torn down 100 years

2863
02:08:04,650 --> 02:08:01,630
to the day but there that this witness

2864
02:08:07,380 --> 02:08:04,660
saw Mothman in Seward Park and Mothman

2865
02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:07,390
told him to remember door 11 and the

2866
02:08:14,490 --> 02:08:11,440
11:11 number has come up so much in fact

2867
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:14,500
right after we met keel we all of the

2868
02:08:18,300 --> 02:08:16,480
researches of madam we all have started

2869
02:08:20,429 --> 02:08:18,310
having weird synchronicities with the

2870
02:08:23,159 --> 02:08:20,439
number 11:11 in

2871
02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:23,169
finding an address in Akron that was

2872
02:08:27,719 --> 02:08:25,689
1111 Independence Avenue where they

2873
02:08:30,330 --> 02:08:27,729
built buildings that looked like 1111

2874
02:08:32,549 --> 02:08:30,340
from the sky and where Mothman was seen

2875
02:08:34,649 --> 02:08:32,559
a week before I arrived there to

2876
02:08:37,649 --> 02:08:34,659
investigate them this all these crazy

2877
02:08:40,020 --> 02:08:37,659
synchronicities that I couldn't do

2878
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:40,030
justice here but I really wouldn't if

2879
02:08:43,919 --> 02:08:42,010
you're interested in synchronicity and

2880
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:43,929
this was really the birth of the syncro

2881
02:08:47,790 --> 02:08:46,090
mysticism movement and I would credit

2882
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:47,800
John keel with this because he was

2883
02:08:51,959 --> 02:08:50,050
helping us to try to understand what

2884
02:08:53,669 --> 02:08:51,969
this was all about at the time this is

2885
02:08:58,469 --> 02:08:53,679
right before he stopped talking to us

2886
02:09:01,140 --> 02:08:58,479
you know that get like get the Mothman

2887
02:09:03,029 --> 02:09:01,150
photographer series or the Mothman

2888
02:09:04,709 --> 02:09:03,039
speaks or shrieks or squeaks which is

2889
02:09:08,390 --> 02:09:04,719
coming out soon Mothman squeaks it's my

2890
02:09:11,939 --> 02:09:08,400
next book get these and check it out

2891
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:11,949
you're kidding Mothman squeaks and you

2892
02:09:17,339 --> 02:09:14,249
know you got a ring to it

2893
02:09:19,469 --> 02:09:17,349
it does but here's the thing this is how

2894
02:09:21,839 --> 02:09:19,479
Mothman is described by many people who

2895
02:09:24,330 --> 02:09:21,849
have seen it he squeaks and I have heard

2896
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:24,340
the squeak myself it is a real thing and

2897
02:09:31,020 --> 02:09:27,760
in fact I have a picture of my sister's

2898
02:09:34,290 --> 02:09:31,030
house in Mothman speaks I think we heard

2899
02:09:35,790 --> 02:09:34,300
the squeak there several of us and we

2900
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:35,800
were joking well that must be Mothman

2901
02:09:40,770 --> 02:09:39,010
right you know and literally not long

2902
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:40,780
after that her house burned completely

2903
02:09:44,989 --> 02:09:42,610
to the ground now this isn't the first

2904
02:09:46,979 --> 02:09:44,999
time that somebody has had a UFO

2905
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:46,989
experience and John keel writes about

2906
02:09:51,359 --> 02:09:49,209
this as well where their house burns

2907
02:09:52,799 --> 02:09:51,369
down I think we just had one the other

2908
02:09:55,919 --> 02:09:52,809
day in fact I'm trying to remember who

2909
02:10:00,509 --> 02:09:55,929
the who the witness was somebody we all

2910
02:10:06,449 --> 02:10:00,519
know it's crazy stuff but you know it's

2911
02:10:09,120 --> 02:10:06,459
fascinating it's yes it is

2912
02:10:11,069 --> 02:10:09,130
it just it's it's definitely a rabbit

2913
02:10:13,709 --> 02:10:11,079
hole and once you start on your way down

2914
02:10:15,239 --> 02:10:13,719
like Alice you're gonna end up at a Mad

2915
02:10:18,540 --> 02:10:15,249
Hatter's Tea Party if you're not careful

2916
02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:18,550
we have to be careful about this we have

2917
02:10:25,700 --> 02:10:20,530
Andrew Colvin joining gene and Chris

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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and drew Colvin joins us trying to

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figure it out that's not chicken boy I

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got a bungee cord whenever I go down the

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rabbit hole because I want to bounce

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back out real fast sometimes well well

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you know you got tens of thousands of

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bags of kabocha bark stored in Point

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Pleasant now why is it there okay dad

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well guess what they use it for

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they make women's aphrodisiacs

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from it for females I don't know what

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that is exactly

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but let's if you look it up you'll see

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like I couldn't what were they doing

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were they doing a genetic experiments or

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something you know they're trying to

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attract more women into the military but

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these these bags were there for decades

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and they were just removed two years ago

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I think we got pictures of them before

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they ever take it out they were all

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apparently sent to Asia got a real good

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price for it that doesn't seem like the

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right place to send them but I know

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especially now that China is relaxing

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the one-child policy that's right what

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do you tell people Andy when when you

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know you start talking about Mothman and

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the person is you know fairly up to

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speed although I think most people who

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have a passing knowledge of Mothman

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really don't understand the complexities

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and just the volumes of sightings but

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what do you tell people that say oh

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Marvin was just an owl people miss

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identifying some very large owl that

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that freaks them out and they see the

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eyes and maybe they're they're

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reflecting light or something

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what is your your stock kind of answered

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to that sort of observation and by the

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way Chris when you say owl I do not want

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to say who well most of the witness

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didn't witnesses saw something that was

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six feet seven feet tall

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so that's not an owl you know some of

3069
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them have had it speak to them in some

3070
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fashion you know others had it squeak to

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them squeak

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some have it have had it in their

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bedroom standing over them I've even had

3074
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people that said they have had sex with

3075
02:17:26,269 --> 02:17:24,929
Mothman but sort of in the dream state

3076
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they you know it was like they had a

3077
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dream about it having sex with this

3078
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winged creature and then they wake up

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and they're all sore and etc etc you

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know I don't know what to do with those

3081
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exactly but I put it in the same

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category I guess as the people that get

3083
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flown to Venus sounds like an incubus

3084
02:17:51,080 --> 02:17:47,550
yeah yeah now do I think Mothman is an

3085
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incubus I think there's variations of it

3086
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maybe but if you're looking at the

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Garuda legend which is our oldest source

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the Garuda is a beneficial protector

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deity particularly of women and children

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he comes around at crisis points to save

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humanity

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he's known up he's known to soak up the

3093
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heat of warfare which makes me think

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that a lot of his sightings and I've

3095
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sort of correlated this seemed to be

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associated with atomic plants and he'll

3097
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talked about this two places where

3098
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munitions are built and so forth so for

3099
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me he's an archetypal protector deity an

3100
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avatar who who you know somehow appears

3101
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to people through their subconscious or

3102
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whatever collective unconscious and he

3103
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is trying to send messages about I think

3104
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you know what we're doing what we're

3105
02:18:46,580 --> 02:18:43,829
doing we're heading down the wrong path

3106
02:18:48,859 --> 02:18:46,590
we need to he's trying to tell people

3107
02:18:51,619 --> 02:18:48,869
something and it's I think it's a good

3108
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:51,629
message and I don't think he's out to

3109
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hurt anyone and I don't think he has

3110
02:18:58,969 --> 02:18:56,459
hurt anyone and but he's sort of similar

3111
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to the Thunderbird legend in the Native

3112
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American lore right which you know if

3113
02:19:05,389 --> 02:19:03,539
you see the Thunderbird a dream of the

3114
02:19:08,750 --> 02:19:05,399
Thunderbird you're considered to be a

3115
02:19:10,189 --> 02:19:08,760
holy or artistic kind of person after

3116
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that and they have secret societies for

3117
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you to to use the precognitive powers

3118
02:19:21,049 --> 02:19:18,510
and psychic powers that you are given

3119
02:19:22,849 --> 02:19:21,059
some people already have these before

3120
02:19:24,469 --> 02:19:22,859
they see Mothman so it's not like

3121
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:24,479
Mothman is giving everybody psychic

3122
02:19:28,729 --> 02:19:26,639
powers I think that you know those

3123
02:19:29,340 --> 02:19:28,739
people are just more likely to tap into

3124
02:19:31,770 --> 02:19:29,350
their own

3125
02:19:33,900 --> 02:19:31,780
subconscious and the collective

3126
02:19:37,890 --> 02:19:33,910
unconscious and see these avatars and

3127
02:19:40,531 --> 02:19:37,900
get messages that are seem to be

3128
02:19:42,510 --> 02:19:40,541
beneficial and and you know it's

3129
02:19:44,340 --> 02:19:42,520
considered to be a good omen in the

3130
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:44,350
native-american world if you see the

3131
02:19:49,650 --> 02:19:47,610
Thunderbird so I just see it that way

3132
02:19:52,081 --> 02:19:49,660
interesting now you mentioned

3133
02:19:55,801 --> 02:19:52,091
correlations now do we have a particular

3134
02:19:58,621 --> 02:19:55,811
profile perhaps of of your your your

3135
02:20:03,180 --> 02:19:58,631
typical Mothman witness or experience or

3136
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:03,190
are there any any consistencies through

3137
02:20:09,421 --> 02:20:06,570
witnesses or is it it pretty much just

3138
02:20:13,041 --> 02:20:09,431
kind of scatter shot it there's no real

3139
02:20:15,571 --> 02:20:13,051
a defined personality type that is more

3140
02:20:18,930 --> 02:20:15,581
prone let's say to have a Mothman

3141
02:20:23,970 --> 02:20:18,940
experience Akhil found that the people

3142
02:20:27,321 --> 02:20:23,980
generally were psychic beforehand that

3143
02:20:31,501 --> 02:20:27,331
they often had Native American blood or

3144
02:20:36,810 --> 02:20:31,511
celtic blood many were lapsed Catholics

3145
02:20:41,900 --> 02:20:36,820
and your your chances were higher of

3146
02:20:45,150 --> 02:20:41,910
seeing Mothman if you were a female with

3147
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:45,160
Celtic or native blood and you were

3148
02:20:49,051 --> 02:20:47,530
menstruating and you were drive and you

3149
02:20:51,951 --> 02:20:49,061
were the a teacher of gifted children

3150
02:20:55,741 --> 02:20:51,961
and you were driving a Ford Galaxie 500

3151
02:20:58,980 --> 02:20:55,751
so if a guy from New York lamps to be

3152
02:21:03,390 --> 02:20:58,990
Jewish no hope for me right that's right

3153
02:21:05,131 --> 02:21:03,400
there's no hub team I got all those

3154
02:21:07,261 --> 02:21:05,141
things maybe I'll seem off mothman

3155
02:21:10,051 --> 02:21:07,271
sometime I'm a lapsed Catholic

3156
02:21:12,180 --> 02:21:10,061
come here I've never had blood or galaxy

3157
02:21:16,650 --> 02:21:12,190
or did you ever drive a Ford Galaxie my

3158
02:21:20,301 --> 02:21:16,660
dad had a Galaxie 519 66,500

3159
02:21:24,511 --> 02:21:20,311
convertible it all comes out now we know

3160
02:21:28,110 --> 02:21:24,521
which I learned how to drive on it was a

3161
02:21:31,140 --> 02:21:28,120
66 Galaxie 500 - yeah perfect powder

3162
02:21:34,230 --> 02:21:31,150
blue yeah well you know these creatures

3163
02:21:36,091 --> 02:21:34,240
seem to be attracted to you know not

3164
02:21:38,071 --> 02:21:36,101
just Mothman but Bigfoot and of course

3165
02:21:39,690 --> 02:21:38,081
they may be cousins or brothers or

3166
02:21:42,639 --> 02:21:39,700
something but they're attracted to

3167
02:21:45,580 --> 02:21:42,649
infrared sources you know so

3168
02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:45,590
galaxy 500 puts off the most infrared

3169
02:21:50,559 --> 02:21:48,409
signature so therefore that's what he'll

3170
02:21:53,469 --> 02:21:50,569
thought that they're attracted to those

3171
02:21:55,960 --> 02:21:53,479
hot sources like Bigfoot's always

3172
02:21:58,719 --> 02:21:55,970
banging on trailers the air conditioners

3173
02:22:01,569 --> 02:21:58,729
of trailers because you know they put

3174
02:22:03,370 --> 02:22:01,579
off a lot of heat and cigars guys that

3175
02:22:05,409 --> 02:22:03,380
smoke cigars who are out hunting

3176
02:22:08,170 --> 02:22:05,419
well sometimes have their cigars smacked

3177
02:22:10,929 --> 02:22:08,180
out of their mouths by the creature hi

3178
02:22:15,819 --> 02:22:10,939
guy Necker did that happen to him I

3179
02:22:18,159 --> 02:22:15,829
don't know he smokes cigars what

3180
02:22:20,139 --> 02:22:18,169
happened to Don but I don't think was

3181
02:22:24,099 --> 02:22:20,149
that I don't think we dare mention that

3182
02:22:26,679 --> 02:22:24,109
on the air no not at all so that that's

3183
02:22:29,109 --> 02:22:26,689
it just say no ask ask a pointed

3184
02:22:31,929 --> 02:22:29,119
question expecting kind of a shrug

3185
02:22:34,899 --> 02:22:31,939
shoulder answer and boy you you've got

3186
02:22:37,300 --> 02:22:34,909
it all yeah out there well and I you

3187
02:22:40,510 --> 02:22:37,310
know I have I'm of quarter native but

3188
02:22:43,149 --> 02:22:40,520
it's a collection of different tribes so

3189
02:22:45,609 --> 02:22:43,159
but I all adds up to about a quarter so

3190
02:22:47,139 --> 02:22:45,619
and I I guess you could say I'm a lapsed

3191
02:22:49,420 --> 02:22:47,149
Catholic because my father was Catholic

3192
02:22:53,319 --> 02:22:49,430
but and didn't you know he didn't go

3193
02:22:56,139 --> 02:22:53,329
much to Mass or anything so

3194
02:22:59,769 --> 02:22:56,149
and also Celtic I also have Celtic

3195
02:23:02,199 --> 02:22:59,779
Colvin is Celtic so I'm a good candidate

3196
02:23:05,199 --> 02:23:02,209
and you know all of my all my all my

3197
02:23:07,420 --> 02:23:05,209
siblings have had either seen Mothman or

3198
02:23:11,229 --> 02:23:07,430
had something similar both of my

3199
02:23:13,420 --> 02:23:11,239
sister's seen Mothman and my niece and

3200
02:23:16,659 --> 02:23:13,430
my brother has a very strange sort of

3201
02:23:19,389 --> 02:23:16,669
the philosophy about star people which I

3202
02:23:22,449 --> 02:23:19,399
don't quite understand but he's a good

3203
02:23:24,010 --> 02:23:22,459
guy and and I trust him that you know

3204
02:23:27,609 --> 02:23:24,020
he's got some connection to something

3205
02:23:30,909 --> 02:23:27,619
going on there with the something from

3206
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:30,919
the stars okay but the big question I

3207
02:23:35,429 --> 02:23:33,369
would have here speaking as someone who

3208
02:23:40,210 --> 02:23:35,439
doesn't fit into any of these categories

3209
02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:40,220
I'm in a category by myself all right so

3210
02:23:49,380 --> 02:23:43,810
what makes people in these particular

3211
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:49,390
areas with their cultural or their

3212
02:23:56,530 --> 02:23:52,090
nationality of their various background

3213
02:23:59,080 --> 02:23:56,540
elements what makes them more sensitive

3214
02:24:02,140 --> 02:23:59,090
to events of this sort is the force

3215
02:24:05,170 --> 02:24:02,150
that's behind them focusing on

3216
02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:05,180
particular categories of people do they

3217
02:24:09,640 --> 02:24:07,250
just happen to be the people who travel

3218
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:09,650
to the right locales maybe we can get

3219
02:24:14,830 --> 02:24:12,290
into that in more detail in our final

3220
02:24:18,460 --> 02:24:14,840
segment of the show featuring Andrew

3221
02:24:20,830 --> 02:24:18,470
Colvin with gene and Chris it doesn't

3222
02:24:30,100 --> 02:24:20,840
get stranger than this rhymes also

3223
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you're in the para cast we are the

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3240
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3241
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3242
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3243
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3244
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because evil forces on our distant

3245
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planet are planning to conquer the earth

3246
02:25:29,890 --> 02:25:27,440
this is gripping science fiction of the

3247
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classic kind attack of the rock codes

3248
02:25:34,030 --> 02:25:31,640
and the coming of the protectors

3249
02:25:39,700 --> 02:25:34,040
find out more at Rocko it's calm that's

3250
02:25:41,470 --> 02:25:39,710
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3251
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3252
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3253
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3254
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3255
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3256
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3257
02:25:56,650 --> 02:25:54,410
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3258
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3259
02:26:00,400 --> 02:25:58,521
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3260
02:26:02,980 --> 02:26:00,410
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3261
02:26:06,030 --> 02:26:02,990
again don't miss these prices of 50 by

3262
02:26:08,910 --> 02:26:06,040
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3263
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3264
02:26:13,020 --> 02:26:10,810
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3265
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3266
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3267
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:16,271
thousand you can't afford to rent with

3268
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these prices imagine a 70 by 100 foot

3269
02:26:21,960 --> 02:26:20,170
church building for under sixty nine

3270
02:26:23,880 --> 02:26:21,970
thousand dollars with the economy

3271
02:26:26,011 --> 02:26:23,890
improving and interest rate still at

3272
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:26,021
historic lows you can't afford to wait

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3274
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3275
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3276
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3277
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3278
02:26:55,860 --> 02:26:53,320
be able to depend on let us down local

3279
02:26:57,900 --> 02:26:55,870
officials saying help is on the way will

3280
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:57,910
the folks here in Belle Harbor say show

3281
02:27:02,730 --> 02:27:00,160
me don't depend on the government to

3282
02:27:05,250 --> 02:27:02,740
save you take action now so that you're

3283
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:05,260
prepared for the next disaster with my

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3285
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3286
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3287
02:27:20,100 --> 02:27:16,510
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3288
02:27:22,350 --> 02:27:20,110
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3289
02:27:29,730 --> 02:27:22,360
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3290
02:27:33,840 --> 02:27:29,740
nine two seven before it's time to

3291
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:33,850
survive it's time to prepare my Patriots

3292
02:27:43,470 --> 02:27:41,490
you're fired according to the Small

3293
02:27:45,060 --> 02:27:43,480
Business Administration seventy-five

3294
02:27:47,310 --> 02:27:45,070
percent of small businesses plan to

3295
02:27:49,350 --> 02:27:47,320
eliminate jobs or reduce workers hours

3296
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:49,360
to part-time your fire according to

3297
02:27:52,890 --> 02:27:51,040
Gallup the unemployment rate recently

3298
02:27:54,840 --> 02:27:52,900
jumped to nearly nine percent and the

3299
02:27:56,940 --> 02:27:54,850
underemployment rate hit a staggering

3300
02:27:57,480 --> 02:27:56,950
seventeen point nine percent you're

3301
02:27:59,370 --> 02:27:57,490
fired

3302
02:28:01,470 --> 02:27:59,380
one out of three young adults and one

3303
02:28:04,050 --> 02:28:01,480
out of two recent college graduates are

3304
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:04,060
underemployed hello I'm Keith Abel a

3305
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:05,290
pharmacist and a home business

3306
02:28:09,210 --> 02:28:07,570
entrepreneur in 2011 I became one of

3307
02:28:10,440 --> 02:28:09,220
those statistics myself instead of

3308
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:10,450
looking for another job in corporate

3309
02:28:14,761 --> 02:28:12,640
America I joined dr. Joel Wallach the

3310
02:28:16,530 --> 02:28:14,771
dead doctors don't lag i we're creating

3311
02:28:18,300 --> 02:28:16,540
steady incomes for ourselves and would

3312
02:28:19,260 --> 02:28:18,310
like to show you how to do the same if

3313
02:28:21,029 --> 02:28:19,270
you want to supplement

3314
02:28:22,859 --> 02:28:21,039
your current income replace your income

3315
02:28:24,599 --> 02:28:22,869
so you don't have to become one of the

3316
02:28:27,660 --> 02:28:24,609
statistics then give me a call toll-free

3317
02:28:30,269 --> 02:28:27,670
at eight six six two five seven three

3318
02:28:32,849 --> 02:28:30,279
one zero five eight six six two five

3319
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:32,859
seven three one zero five you're fired

3320
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:34,000
don't wait til you hear those words

3321
02:28:38,309 --> 02:28:35,770
start creating an extra income today

3322
02:28:43,139 --> 02:28:38,319
eight six six two five seven three one

3323
02:28:46,019 --> 02:28:43,149
zero five hi this is Don Ecker and you

3324
02:28:47,939 --> 02:28:46,029
are tuned in to the para cast let me

3325
02:28:50,660 --> 02:28:47,949
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

3326
02:28:55,319 --> 02:28:50,670
here that you probably won't hear

3327
02:28:58,050 --> 02:28:55,329
anywhere else here that George Noory the

3328
02:29:00,120 --> 02:28:58,060
para cast doesn't rhyme with this I'm

3329
02:29:02,219 --> 02:29:00,130
sorry to say I'm not gonna write any

3330
02:29:03,630 --> 02:29:02,229
songs actually ever even some song

3331
02:29:05,569 --> 02:29:03,640
lyrics but I don't want to share them

3332
02:29:09,090 --> 02:29:05,579
with you Chris because you as a musician

3333
02:29:10,500 --> 02:29:09,100
will look the other way and probably say

3334
02:29:13,170 --> 02:29:10,510
things we don't want to mention on the

3335
02:29:16,590 --> 02:29:13,180
air on a family radio show okay so

3336
02:29:21,389 --> 02:29:16,600
Andrew Colvin explain why do you think

3337
02:29:24,719 --> 02:29:21,399
people who fit into this background that

3338
02:29:26,910 --> 02:29:24,729
you defined have elements of it would be

3339
02:29:29,250 --> 02:29:26,920
more susceptible to strange events of

3340
02:29:31,849 --> 02:29:29,260
this type I think it's partly because

3341
02:29:36,660 --> 02:29:31,859
they they had sort of in their DNA

3342
02:29:39,029 --> 02:29:36,670
having a long history of the nature

3343
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:39,039
worship you know the Celtic pagans and

3344
02:29:44,969 --> 02:29:41,920
the Native Americans both spending a lot

3345
02:29:48,179 --> 02:29:44,979
of time and effort trying to be close to

3346
02:29:50,819 --> 02:29:48,189
the land and observing nature and I

3347
02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:50,829
think that a lot of these if you're in

3348
02:29:56,639 --> 02:29:54,460
that category and you live in certain

3349
02:29:59,819 --> 02:29:56,649
areas you are more you know that will

3350
02:30:02,510 --> 02:29:59,829
increase your chances like in mound

3351
02:30:04,620 --> 02:30:02,520
areas where there's Indian mounds

3352
02:30:07,290 --> 02:30:04,630
there's something going on with Indian

3353
02:30:10,529 --> 02:30:07,300
mounds and every major city has them or

3354
02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:10,539
did have them especially in the in the

3355
02:30:13,859 --> 02:30:12,489
Mississippi and Ohio valleys and you

3356
02:30:15,450 --> 02:30:13,869
know that's a huge area of the country

3357
02:30:17,460 --> 02:30:15,460
that's pretty much most of the country

3358
02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:17,470
because there's 7,000 rivers to flow

3359
02:30:24,330 --> 02:30:20,890
into the Mississippi and there's you

3360
02:30:26,849 --> 02:30:24,340
know towns like Minneapolis even out in

3361
02:30:29,910 --> 02:30:26,859
California you know I've most the cities

3362
02:30:32,040 --> 02:30:29,920
out there used to have mounds and they

3363
02:30:33,149 --> 02:30:32,050
have streets called Mount Street every

3364
02:30:35,459 --> 02:30:33,159
city seems to have them

3365
02:30:37,529 --> 02:30:35,469
Street and if you live on one of these

3366
02:30:38,539 --> 02:30:37,539
you know I think the energies of

3367
02:30:40,919 --> 02:30:38,549
whatever

3368
02:30:43,019 --> 02:30:40,929
Trat energies are trapped in these

3369
02:30:45,659 --> 02:30:43,029
mounds even if they're torn down there

3370
02:30:48,510 --> 02:30:45,669
still emanating and you know I found

3371
02:30:52,109 --> 02:30:48,520
some interesting stuff about Tibetan

3372
02:30:56,550 --> 02:30:52,119
Buddhists who basically when they get

3373
02:30:58,769 --> 02:30:56,560
old they will kill themselves inside of

3374
02:31:01,260 --> 02:30:58,779
mounds they will meditate themselves to

3375
02:31:03,659 --> 02:31:01,270
death and so that their spirit is

3376
02:31:06,229 --> 02:31:03,669
trapped in the mound and then their

3377
02:31:10,039 --> 02:31:06,239
bodies are chopped up and fed to

3378
02:31:13,380 --> 02:31:10,049
vultures because they believe then that

3379
02:31:15,090 --> 02:31:13,390
their spirit goes into the vultures so

3380
02:31:17,399 --> 02:31:15,100
you've got a bird connection here with

3381
02:31:19,739 --> 02:31:17,409
death right which which Mothman and

3382
02:31:22,559 --> 02:31:19,749
Thunderbirds Thunderbird especially is

3383
02:31:26,099 --> 02:31:22,569
very connected to to the other the other

3384
02:31:27,599 --> 02:31:26,109
side but I think owls do in the Native

3385
02:31:30,869 --> 02:31:27,609
American tradition are often associated

3386
02:31:32,189 --> 02:31:30,879
as a portent of death yes you know

3387
02:31:36,149 --> 02:31:32,199
interesting that you should talk about

3388
02:31:39,929 --> 02:31:36,159
Celtic and Native American genetic

3389
02:31:44,359 --> 02:31:39,939
lineage Derrel Sims did quite an

3390
02:31:47,249 --> 02:31:44,369
exhaustive search and in study of

3391
02:31:51,169 --> 02:31:47,259
abductees and found that many of them

3392
02:31:55,050 --> 02:31:51,179
had those two particular genetic markers

3393
02:31:58,199 --> 02:31:55,060
in Cherokee especially and an Celtic

3394
02:31:59,789 --> 02:31:58,209
heritage and he said that if you're if

3395
02:32:01,109 --> 02:31:59,799
you've got Celtic and and Native

3396
02:32:04,079 --> 02:32:01,119
American heritage you're much more

3397
02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:04,089
likely to to experience what has become

3398
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:06,489
known as the abduction phenomenon yeah

3399
02:32:12,929 --> 02:32:09,369
there's also an Egyptian connection in

3400
02:32:15,199 --> 02:32:12,939
that the Cherokee tribes

3401
02:32:18,239 --> 02:32:15,209
you know there's various ones within

3402
02:32:21,090 --> 02:32:18,249
what they call Cherokee like mine one of

3403
02:32:23,249 --> 02:32:21,100
mine is a suppo knee tribe which is

3404
02:32:25,019 --> 02:32:23,259
mostly in West Virginia but also I have

3405
02:32:28,199 --> 02:32:25,029
Montauk blood which is from Long Island

3406
02:32:31,199 --> 02:32:28,209
and the Long Islanders the Long Island

3407
02:32:33,389 --> 02:32:31,209
Montauk's have have long said that they

3408
02:32:36,569 --> 02:32:33,399
are direct descendants of the Pharaohs

3409
02:32:37,739 --> 02:32:36,579
of Egypt and so you know you could have

3410
02:32:39,539 --> 02:32:37,749
a lot of the spooky

3411
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:39,549
you know Egyptian stuff that's been

3412
02:32:44,130 --> 02:32:42,489
brought over and there's there's no

3413
02:32:47,100 --> 02:32:44,140
doubt that there have been a lot of

3414
02:32:49,140 --> 02:32:47,110
Egyptian artifacts found in the Ohio

3415
02:32:55,100 --> 02:32:49,150
Valley areas copper implements and

3416
02:32:58,350 --> 02:32:55,110
things and very tall very tall skeletons

3417
02:32:59,761 --> 02:32:58,360
which sounds you know North Africa and

3418
02:33:01,530 --> 02:32:59,771
and I don't know that they've done any

3419
02:33:03,091 --> 02:33:01,540
DNA studies on these because it's all

3420
02:33:05,070 --> 02:33:03,101
been suppressed all of these skeletons

3421
02:33:07,410 --> 02:33:05,080
have disappeared I mean this is a real

3422
02:33:09,211 --> 02:33:07,420
phenomenon thousands of large you know

3423
02:33:11,730 --> 02:33:09,221
10 11 foot skeletons have just

3424
02:33:14,220 --> 02:33:11,740
disappeared into the Smithsonian and we

3425
02:33:16,350 --> 02:33:14,230
have no idea what really I didn't know

3426
02:33:19,140 --> 02:33:16,360
the number was that high I've heard of a

3427
02:33:21,180 --> 02:33:19,150
number of claims but I didn't know that

3428
02:33:23,581 --> 02:33:21,190
it was you know we're talking numbers

3429
02:33:28,140 --> 02:33:23,591
like that well what happened was they

3430
02:33:32,190 --> 02:33:28,150
were all driven west by the regular

3431
02:33:34,350 --> 02:33:32,200
Indians and they had a big battle in I

3432
02:33:35,910 --> 02:33:34,360
guess it would be Minnesota and so

3433
02:33:37,110 --> 02:33:35,920
there's a there's a field in Minnesota

3434
02:33:41,570 --> 02:33:37,120
where there's like hundreds of these

3435
02:33:44,011 --> 02:33:41,580
skeletons that were killed in warfare

3436
02:33:46,530 --> 02:33:44,021
they were sort of driven over there and

3437
02:33:52,860 --> 02:33:46,540
killed off in a pinch pincer movement

3438
02:33:54,930 --> 02:33:52,870
you might say so they probably had

3439
02:33:57,690 --> 02:33:54,940
European blood I know that some of the

3440
02:34:00,570 --> 02:33:57,700
tall skeletons in Florida that were

3441
02:34:02,910 --> 02:34:00,580
buried in water burials you know could

3442
02:34:06,030 --> 02:34:02,920
be where they were able to do DNA on

3443
02:34:08,041 --> 02:34:06,040
them and these are like eight ten

3444
02:34:11,341 --> 02:34:08,051
thousand years old and they have a

3445
02:34:13,730 --> 02:34:11,351
European they have European blood so you

3446
02:34:16,650 --> 02:34:13,740
know Columbus wasn't the first European

3447
02:34:19,171 --> 02:34:16,660
to come to America and in fact some of

3448
02:34:22,801 --> 02:34:19,181
these people were working or Morris or

3449
02:34:24,421 --> 02:34:22,811
northern African and I think they you

3450
02:34:27,301 --> 02:34:24,431
know it's pretty clear that they

3451
02:34:28,680 --> 02:34:27,311
interbred with the Indians and so you

3452
02:34:32,461 --> 02:34:28,690
have a really difficult time I think

3453
02:34:33,890 --> 02:34:32,471
with the DNA studies here in America but

3454
02:34:36,511 --> 02:34:33,900
there's no doubt that there's been a

3455
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:36,521
long time program to sort of suppress

3456
02:34:40,230 --> 02:34:38,170
all of this knowledge because I think

3457
02:34:44,430 --> 02:34:40,240
it's it's very troublesome politically

3458
02:34:46,801 --> 02:34:44,440
for the European rulers you might you

3459
02:34:50,910 --> 02:34:46,811
know the British true and in Dutch and

3460
02:34:52,291 --> 02:34:50,920
so forth to admit that you know they

3461
02:34:54,810 --> 02:34:52,301
weren't the first here and it sort of

3462
02:34:58,190 --> 02:34:54,820
undermines their claims you know you

3463
02:35:00,450 --> 02:34:58,200
have a group of Washita Indians in

3464
02:35:01,050 --> 02:35:00,460
Louisiana who claim to have been here

3465
02:35:03,179 --> 02:35:01,060
the whole time

3466
02:35:06,590 --> 02:35:03,189
that they were not brought over from

3467
02:35:08,969 --> 02:35:06,600
Africa there they're black Indians

3468
02:35:10,849 --> 02:35:08,979
they're still there and they live around

3469
02:35:13,109 --> 02:35:10,859
the Poverty Point area which is like a

3470
02:35:15,450 --> 02:35:13,119
ten thousand twelve thousand year old

3471
02:35:18,359 --> 02:35:15,460
city that was built around an enormous

3472
02:35:21,510 --> 02:35:18,369
bird mount so you what you see is that

3473
02:35:24,530 --> 02:35:21,520
not only were they Moorish or European

3474
02:35:28,679 --> 02:35:24,540
but they also worshipped a moth man like

3475
02:35:30,689 --> 02:35:28,689
deity so I think that could explain why

3476
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:30,699
you still see Mothman in these mound

3477
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:35,439
areas interesting well as for the Giants

3478
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:39,850
that I've heard that some of the

3479
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:42,010
skeletons have featured two sets of

3480
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:46,329
teeth and also red hair so I guess we're

3481
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:48,010
dealing with the giant red haired

3482
02:35:54,689 --> 02:35:50,770
stepchild of conventional archeology

3483
02:35:58,319 --> 02:35:54,699
here yeah because there is no doubt that

3484
02:35:59,729 --> 02:35:58,329
the skeletons have been found at least

3485
02:36:01,889 --> 02:35:59,739
according to some of the books and

3486
02:36:03,240 --> 02:36:01,899
sources that I've read yeah and it

3487
02:36:05,639 --> 02:36:03,250
wouldn't surprise me a bit if there was

3488
02:36:07,219 --> 02:36:05,649
you know concerted effort to keep some

3489
02:36:10,469 --> 02:36:07,229
of this if not most of this information

3490
02:36:11,969 --> 02:36:10,479
quiet yeah red hair is actually African

3491
02:36:14,069 --> 02:36:11,979
as well Peter moon has done a lot of

3492
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:14,079
good research on the trail of how the

3493
02:36:19,170 --> 02:36:17,010
Celts came from Africa and then

3494
02:36:20,700 --> 02:36:19,180
distributed themselves in England and

3495
02:36:23,429 --> 02:36:20,710
everywhere else and well supposedly

3496
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:23,439
Akhenaten's daughter escaped Scotia and

3497
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:27,010
became the escape to Scotland that's

3498
02:36:33,599 --> 02:36:29,290
where we get the the the name Scotland

3499
02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:33,609
from from Scotia yeah so Sean Connery

3500
02:36:40,290 --> 02:36:38,409
comes from Scotia oh I'm not sure about

3501
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:40,300
that yeah I thought he was Welsh or

3502
02:36:44,399 --> 02:36:41,050
something Mundy

3503
02:36:46,500 --> 02:36:44,409
no he's Scotsman is he well yeah yeah I

3504
02:36:48,870 --> 02:36:46,510
was David Tennant the former Doctor Who

3505
02:36:51,210 --> 02:36:48,880
and so was Peter Capaldi the current

3506
02:36:53,370 --> 02:36:51,220
Doctor Who hey gene you don't have to

3507
02:36:55,590 --> 02:36:53,380
worry because the rest of us need

3508
02:36:57,899 --> 02:36:55,600
Mothman we need this you know extra help

3509
02:37:00,780 --> 02:36:57,909
you guys don't you're just you're you

3510
02:37:03,090 --> 02:37:00,790
know you're okay well I'm using op help

3511
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:03,100
but some people suggest is the kind of

3512
02:37:07,260 --> 02:37:05,050
help they can't be provided on a

3513
02:37:08,609 --> 02:37:07,270
paranormal radio show and we really

3514
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:08,619
don't want to get into that kind of

3515
02:37:13,170 --> 02:37:11,680
detail I want to try again to detail the

3516
02:37:14,911 --> 02:37:13,180
kind of help that Chris oh they might

3517
02:37:16,741 --> 02:37:14,921
need hey there Andrew

3518
02:37:18,661 --> 02:37:16,751
we're just about out of time can you

3519
02:37:21,511 --> 02:37:18,671
tell our listeners where they can find

3520
02:37:23,791 --> 02:37:21,521
more about all that stuff you do well

3521
02:37:25,801 --> 02:37:23,801
most of most of its on Amazon well all

3522
02:37:28,440 --> 02:37:25,811
the books are on Amazon I've also got

3523
02:37:30,421 --> 02:37:28,450
some albums nine albums from from my

3524
02:37:33,211 --> 02:37:30,431
band interdimensional vortex League

3525
02:37:37,531 --> 02:37:33,221
which can be found on Amazon as well as

3526
02:37:39,480 --> 02:37:37,541
on iTunes and CD Baby and I have a group

3527
02:37:40,890 --> 02:37:39,490
on Facebook called mouthy talk which is

3528
02:37:43,821 --> 02:37:40,900
an excellent group we have a lot of

3529
02:37:46,531 --> 02:37:43,831
heavy hitters there some deep thinkers

3530
02:37:50,011 --> 02:37:46,541
in various areas so it's a good source

3531
02:37:52,440 --> 02:37:50,021
for all kinds of research and I

3532
02:37:54,331 --> 02:37:52,450
recommend people just can't you know

3533
02:37:55,650 --> 02:37:54,341
getting on there and asking to join the

3534
02:37:58,621 --> 02:37:55,660
group but they're interested in more

3535
02:38:00,810 --> 02:37:58,631
sounds exciting Chris O'Brien has a

3536
02:38:02,701 --> 02:38:00,820
great new book I will tell you it's

3537
02:38:04,951 --> 02:38:02,711
great because I've been reading it and

3538
02:38:07,230 --> 02:38:04,961
helping him with the page layout we're

3539
02:38:08,701 --> 02:38:07,240
using QuarkXPress folks not InDesign so

3540
02:38:11,341 --> 02:38:08,711
we can start that argument on the other

3541
02:38:13,411 --> 02:38:11,351
show it's called stalking the herd

3542
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:13,421
stalking the herd coming real soon from

3543
02:38:17,821 --> 02:38:15,280
Adventures unlimited press featuring

3544
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:17,831
Chris O'Brien his site is our strange

3545
02:38:23,251 --> 02:38:20,650
planet calm that's our strange planet

3546
02:38:26,220 --> 02:38:23,261
calm you can find us on Twitter we are

3547
02:38:29,881 --> 02:38:26,230
known on Twitter as the para cast there

3548
02:38:31,650 --> 02:38:29,891
is also two para cast fan clubs on

3549
02:38:33,841 --> 02:38:31,660
Facebook I don't know why we're so

3550
02:38:36,690 --> 02:38:33,851
popular but we are and if you're looking

3551
02:38:38,241 --> 02:38:36,700
for me look for Jean Steinberg more than

3552
02:38:40,770 --> 02:38:38,251
likely to see the guy in the plaid shirt

3553
02:38:43,020 --> 02:38:40,780
for the strange looking face he's been

3554
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:43,030
Andrew Calvin thanks for joining us this

3555
02:38:53,679 --> 02:38:47,170
week on the power cast my pleasure

3556
02:39:00,110 --> 02:38:57,200
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3557
02:39:03,229 --> 02:39:00,120
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3558
02:39:04,309 --> 02:39:03,239
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3559
02:39:08,320 --> 02:39:04,319
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